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mgrover
post Apr 11 2013, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 12 2013, 12:09 AM) *
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Victor Ortiz (weak chin and mentality)
Khan
Berto
Tarver!


Audley Harrison. Or do heavyweights get a pass?
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post Apr 11 2013, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 11 2013, 04:49 PM) *
Audley Harrison. Or do heavyweights get a pass?

Haven't watched heavyweights in awhile but are we talking about all heavyweights from the past.
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post Apr 11 2013, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 11 2013, 06:09 PM) *
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Victor Ortiz (weak chin and mentality)
Khan
Berto
Tarver!


How the hell did I forget Ortiz?? I'm also going to throw Jermain Taylor in there, after Pavlik put him down he was never the same
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post Apr 11 2013, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 06:29 PM) *
Khan owns this thread

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Too funny!

I don't have a top 5 at the moment, but I'm damn near accustomed to seeing Juanma look like he just came from a $2 Tuesday special at the bar, after he gets touched on the chin. Dude get his clock cleaned a bit too often nowadays.
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post Apr 11 2013, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 05:07 PM) *
How the hell did I forget Ortiz?? I'm also going to throw Jermain Taylor in there, after Pavlik put him down he was never the same

Give me my money! Ortiz is made of glass. The kind that already comes cracked!
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post Apr 11 2013, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 05:29 PM) *
Khan owns this thread

I would mention RJJ but I think his move to HW and then back down ruined him and he's never been able to recover. i often wonder how those Tarver fights would've played out if he hadn't of moved up in weight

Gamboa's chin is suspect and so is Juanma Lopez's....I guess that's what makes a fight between the 2 of them still intriguing.

Berto's chin is suspect to me



Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.
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post Apr 11 2013, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 11 2013, 08:07 PM) *
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Too funny!

I don't have a top 5 at the moment, but I'm damn near accustomed to seeing Juanma look like he just came from a $2 Tuesday special at the bar, after he gets touched on the chin. Dude get his clock cleaned a bit too often nowadays.


I agree, I definitely see him stumbling out of quite a few bars in the future if he isn't matched up properly
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post Apr 11 2013, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 11 2013, 08:11 PM) *
Give me my money! Ortiz is made of glass. The kind that already comes cracked!


You aint lying, I won't lie, I'm an Ortiz fan and it goes way beyond the Mayweather fight, he's fought here in Chicago on the undercard of Malinaggi-Diaz 2 and seeing him fight live, he really impressed me. This was his first fight since the Maidana fight I believe and I was rooting for him to get back on track

Remember he took a lot of shit from us fans about what he said in his in ring post-fight interview. He has so much talent and ability and he works hard, I really believe that but he just can't seem to weather rough moments in fights. I'm of the belief that he could've got up in the 4th round of his Mayweahter fight, he checked out mentally to me
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post Apr 11 2013, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 11 2013, 09:09 PM) *
Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.


I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one

I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him

Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing

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post Apr 12 2013, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 09:48 PM) *
I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one

I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him

Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing



Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.
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