[JD]

I don't think Wiliams deserves 50 / 50...60 / 40 should get it done for both guys.

[D-MARV]

I don't think Wiliams deserves 50 / 50...60 / 40 should get it done for both guys.

Agreed! 60/40 sounds about right.

[STEVENSKI]

You soud like Floyd Mayweather.

What other fight can Pavlik make more money in?

NEVER EVER SAY THAT AGAIN (you know exactly what I mean)!!! It offends me a great deal.

A unification fight would make him more money especially if he travelled to Germany to fight Sturm. One thing is that they don't sell out a 18,000 seat venue in Germany they sell out a 50-60,000 seat football stadium over there.

That is why I suggested Williams go over to Europe & beat their champion & get a belt. Then he has some negotiation leverage. Right now he is a contender & no more but beating their best & taking their belts leaves Pavlik with little room to move & a fight will have to be made.

Pavlike if he was prepared to travel & a deal could be brokered between HBO & Saurkraut productions would be very lucrative. Germans love a scrap & will pay to see one.

[D-MARV]

I like the idea of PWill going to Germany but I would be highly surprised to see Sturm take that fight.

[Keith]

Eventually somebody has to fight PWill. I feel bad for the dude. He's in the prime of his career and cant get the big fight he deserves.

[Sugar Q]

Romulus commented on this as well... nobody wanted to fight Winky 4 or 5 years ago at 154, not 160. Thats not the case right now. He hadnt fought in 2 years and is 37 yrs old. Its a good win to have on your resume but I didnt walk away from the Winky fight knowing anything more about PWill then I already did. PWill is a bad ass dude but negotiating power isnt all about how bad ass you are. The recognized champ in a division rarely spilts 50/50. PWill would have to be undefeated, and putting people to sleep at 160 to demand 50/50 with Pavlik, who has already been doing that.

If that's not the case now why is Pavlik looking to fight jr-middle-wts? If Winky is such a pushover why isn't Pavlik or Sturm trying to make fights with him? The answer is Winky aint no pushover and apparently neither guy is calling out Williams either. Williams made it look easy but there still aint a list of guys lining up to face Winky that says it all to me. Aren't we tired of seeing Sturm fight guys we never heard of wassup wit that? I would much rather see Winky/Pavlik than Pavlik/Mora. Business is business so if Im Williams I would fight Pavlik for 55/45. 60/40 is a bit much. It aint like Williams doesn't bring nothing to the table dude is on a roll While Pavlik is coming off a big loss.

This post has been edited by Sugar Q: Jul 19 2009, 07:54 PM

[D-MARV]

Eventually somebody has to fight PWill. I feel bad for the dude. He's in the prime of his career and cant get the big fight he deserves.

I don't think he reached his prime yet. He still has so much he needs to polish. These cats at 154 seem to want to step up. Paul should clean out 154 and then 160.

[Sugar Q]

Who the hell do they think Williams is? Some kind of crossover superstar that can just hold his rankings & fight in any of 4 divisions? It is not that I don't respect what Williams is doing but he is at the top of the tree in 4 divisions? What has he actually done at 168? Why would he be a top contender at 147 when he has not seen that weight in 3 or 4 fights? This is all very confusing & sounds to me like they are placing a value similar to a mint conditioned boxed Gen 1 transformer from 1984 when he is more like a pre played with Megatron with a arm broken off value wise.






50/50 & 55/45 is far from fair. What type of PPV #'s has he done. What revenue has he shown he can generate to deserve 50/50. I am not talking about his fighting potential & ability which he has displayed in abundance. I am talking about generating money as that is the only way to get paid in full. Otherwise guys like JMM would be getting $10M per fight not Hatton.

In order for him to be worthy of facing Pavlik bring something to the table like a belt or better yet get the belt & go fight Sturm in Europe & then demand a fight with Pavlik.

This aint no PPV fight Stevenski this is HBO my dude,lol. Stay away from the PPV with these guys cause neither is PPV yet.

This post has been edited by Sugar Q: Jul 19 2009, 08:02 PM

[STEVENSKI]

Eventually somebody has to fight PWill. I feel bad for the dude. He's in the prime of his career and cant get the big fight he deserves.

Sounds like Hopkins. He may just have to wait for his time to shine. It can take years to become a established "star". Look at Floyd he took years & years before he was on PPV earning millions.

Business is business so if Im Williams I would fight Pavlik for 55/45. 60/40 is a bit much. It aint like Williams doesn't bring nothing to the table dude is on a roll While Pavlik is coming off a big loss.

A roll does not mean $$. Pavlik has proven himself the best at 160 & Williams brings a couple of decent wins & his handlers expect parity & a shot at the title? Go earn the shot goddam it & while you are at it go fight in a division long enough to get ranked & become the top contender.

I don't think he reached his prime yet. He still has so much he needs to polish. These cats at 154 seem to want to step up. Paul should clean out 154 and then 160.

Perhaps if he did that then he would deserve a shot at the champion. See how Tito cleaned out 154 & then won some belts at 160 before fighting for the true championship? That is how it is done & unlike Williams Tito was a bona fide PPV superstar.

[STEVENSKI]

This aint no PPV fight Stevenski this is HBO my dude,lol. Stay away from the PPV with these guys cause neither is PPV yet.

I know. Trust me every fight is on PPV so it does not matter to me if it is HBO PPV, BAD or WCB as it will still be PPV for me. The point I am making is that Pavlik has proven he can generate money which translates funnily enough to bigger paychecks. Where has Williams proven he can sell a fight to deserve parity with Pavlik?

That is my question.