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falvoa
post Dec 11 2007, 10:26 AM
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Lil Floyd should be able to defeat Miguel Cotto.

Although I think Cotto is more skilled then is Hatton (better reflectes more importantly), I think he will have difficulty with the speed of hand and foot of Mayweather.

Lil Floyd could stay on the outside but still be aggressive as he picks Cotto apart with potshots. Again, Cotto has better skills then Hatton, better defense to he could make the bout interesting, but I don't think he will be able to get through Mayweather's defense or even withstand he powerful counters to win the bout.

At this point, while I'd love to see a KO if that bout would happen, I give Cotto's skills the benefit of the doubt and say he is able to go the limit but with Lil Floyd taking a fairly comfortable decision.

Mayweather W12u Cotto

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post Dec 11 2007, 06:10 PM
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The only way Mayweather-Cotto becomes a bigger fight than it is right now in my opinion would be if Cotto fights Oscar and beats him badly.I don't blame Floyd for wanting to take time off, but then the rust factor comes into play which could hurt him if he takes too much time off.Mayweather also could lose the Cotto fight if Cotto lost to De La Hoya which is also a possibility.Either way, I don't think Mayweather needs to fight again to prove he's a top 10 p4p fighter of all-time, but if he does add a couple more significant fights like Cotto or Williams ,he would enhance his Legecy and standing even further as an all-time great.Especially the Williams fight because of the huge physical advantages Williams has.It would be insane to see Mayweather in there with the punisher and actually trying to adjust to his reach and height.I think Williams needs a few more big wins himself to warrant a fight with Mayweather though.Maybe if Williams unified the entire division and beat Cotto that would make a Mayweather-Williams fight even more significant.A lot would have to happen though and that seems unrealistic at this point.
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post Dec 11 2007, 06:30 PM
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Honestly ...... Floyd needs & deserves a vacation: 3 fights in 2005 | 2 fights in 2006 | 2 fights in 2007

2007-12-08 147 Ricky Hatton 145 43-0-0
2007-05-05 150 Oscar De La Hoya 154 38-4-0
2006-11-04 146 Carlos Manuel Baldomir 147 43-9-6
2006-04-08 146 Zab Judah 145½ 34-3-0
2005-11-19 147 Sharmba Mitchell 145¼ 56-4-0
2005-06-25 139 Arturo Gatti 140 39-6-0
2005-01-22 139 Henry Bruseles 138¾ 21-2-1

You can add Cotto to the list in 2008
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post Dec 11 2007, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Dec 11 2007, 05:11 AM) [snapback]369954[/snapback]
I'm just saying that for Floyd to win, he will have to fight the most cautious fight possible because if Cotto gets him on the ropes, expect Cotto to punish the body.


I totally disagree with this and want to know why everyone keeps bringing up Cotto's great body attack. Mayweather DOESN'T GET HIT cleanly to the body (or anywhere really). Cotto may punish Mayweather's elbows, but not his body. Just like everyone was saying that Hatton was going to punish Mayweather's body... and how many effective body punches did Hatton get in all night? You could count them on 1 hand.

Mayweather is like a Toney or Hopkins in that his opponents simply don't connect clean on him... VERY rarely anyway. And another huge factor that needs to be taken into consideration with ALL of Mayweather's opponents is that they find out very quickly about 1/3 of the way into the fight that his speed/accuracy combo is something they have not had the pleasure of dealing with in the past. Look at how many guys have started out doing decent against Mayweather looking pretty good and then by the middle of the fight they are completely shut down and defensive minded. Mentally that's gotta wreck you every time you are about to jab and you get clocked with a lead right hand that you never have a chance to react to... or you are about to throw a lead right hand yourself and you get iced with a left hook that you never saw coming. You'll see Cotto's punch output drop dramatically around the middle of the fight, meaning he will be landing even fewer punches of the already low percentage of clean shots he landed earlier.

I disagree with Mayweather having to fight such a cautious fight. He has the ability to stay outside and play the lead right hand/left hook game all night with an occasional jab thrown in all night long, OR when the distance closes his defense allows him to evade just about everything clean and he always manages to get his own work in.

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post Dec 12 2007, 10:21 AM
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**NEWS FLASH**
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. IS OVER-RATED!!!

WHO BESIDES AN OLD DE LA HOYA AND AN EQUALLY OVER-RATED HATTON HAS HE BEATIN?! NOW MAYBE THE SAME COULD BE SAID FOR COTTO BUT, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD ABOUT COTTO DUCKING ANYBODY? HE JUST BEAT A VERY GOOD SHANE MOSLEY (A GUY WHO MAYWEATHER WANTS NO PART OF) AND PROVED IN THAT FIGHT THAT HE IS MORE THAN JUST A STRAIGHT-AHEAD WARRIOR. NOW IM NOT DENYING FLOYD HIS CREDIT BECAUSE HE DESERVES IT, BUT ALL OF HIS FIGHTS ARE HAND-PICKED. THAT IS THE REASON HE HAS LOOKED SO DOMINANT, AND THE REASON HE IS OVER-RATED! HE HASNT DONE LIKE ALL THE GUYS WHO WILL GO DOWN AS BEING GREAT HAVE-AND THATS FIGHT ALL CHALLENGERS! I WOULD HAVE COTTO WINNING THIS FIGHT BY DECISION POSSIBLY LATE ROUND KNOCK-OUT. MAYWEATHER WOULD RESORT TO FIGHTING THE WAY HE DID IN THE FIGHT WITH DE LA HOYA AND BACK UP ALL NIGHT LONG. THE DIFFERENCE IS COTTO IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF BEAST--THE BEST BODY-PUNCHER IN THE SPORT WITH A SOLID CHIN AND CAN FIGHT ALL 12 ROUNDS. THIS IS THE LAST FIGHT FLOYD WANTS TO TAKE! DONT GO HOLDING YOUR BREATH FOR THIS ONE. YOUR MORE LIKLEY TO SEE DE LA HOYA V.S. COTTO. THAT WOULD BE A BETTER FIGHT ANYWAY.
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post Dec 12 2007, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(The Original MrFactor @ Dec 11 2007, 09:36 AM) [snapback]369980[/snapback]
I think all of this talk about Cotto/Mayweather is moot because Floyd is on vacation. In the meantime, Cotto will probably fight someone that has a strong chance to beat him. That someone could be Paul Williams or Antonio Margarito. If Cotto cant secure a DLH payday, there are only those 2 guys. I'd be pissed if he ends up fight Luis Collazo, Joel Julio or Andre Berto. He needs to continue to ride this streak of fighting to dogs. Williams should be his next fight, but I'll accept Margarito...


Cotto's fighting DLH next. Arum's not going to let this chance at a megapayday go by and neither will DLH. Take it to the bank. And while you're there, take Williams' name off of Cotto's future opponent list. There's no way on earth Arum lets 5'7" Cotto in the ring with 6'2" Williams.
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post Dec 12 2007, 11:01 AM
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I actually think Cotto is more competitive w Floyd than Hatton was, and I think a big part of it is because he is much more comfortable at 147 than Hatton was. I was also impressed at Cotto's boxing ability versus Mosley, one of the fastest boxers, at least hand speed-wise, in the sport. Cotto offset Mosley with timing and speed of his own....things that I hadn't previously thought him capable of.

I still expect Mayweather to win, and I could see a stoppage, but I think Cotto would be more competitive.
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post Dec 12 2007, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE
I totally disagree with this and want to know why everyone keeps bringing up Cotto's great body attack. Mayweather DOESN'T GET HIT cleanly to the body (or anywhere really). Cotto may punish Mayweather's elbows, but not his body. Just like everyone was saying that Hatton was going to punish Mayweather's body... and how many effective body punches did Hatton get in all night? You could count them on 1 hand.

Mayweather is like a Toney or Hopkins in that his opponents simply don't connect clean on him... VERY rarely anyway. And another huge factor that needs to be taken into consideration with ALL of Mayweather's opponents is that they find out very quickly about 1/3 of the way into the fight that his speed/accuracy combo is something they have not had the pleasure of dealing with in the past. Look at how many guys have started out doing decent against Mayweather looking pretty good and then by the middle of the fight they are completely shut down and defensive minded. Mentally that's gotta wreck you every time you are about to jab and you get clocked with a lead right hand that you never have a chance to react to... or you are about to throw a lead right hand yourself and you get iced with a left hook that you never saw coming. You'll see Cotto's punch output drop dramatically around the middle of the fight, meaning he will be landing even fewer punches of the already low percentage of clean shots he landed earlier.

I disagree with Mayweather having to fight such a cautious fight. He has the ability to stay outside and play the lead right hand/left hook game all night with an occasional jab thrown in all night long, OR when the distance closes his defense allows him to evade just about everything clean and he always manages to get his own work in.


Well, Jose Louis Castillo in their first fight was able to get to Floyd's body quite a bit. Although some were low blows and some were inside the clinch but still. You are right, like Hopkins and Toney, it is very difficult to hit Floyd...especially with a headshot. But Cotto is kind of an accurate, heavy-handed puncher and although he has been rocked before, he has a pretty decent chin. He took some bombs from Judah and Sugar Shane. I'm just saying, Cotto will give Floyd a tougher fight then most other people. Him and PWill are the only guys with a shot at Floyd.

And if Floyd's stands in the pocket with Cotto, he will feel the heat.
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post Dec 12 2007, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Dec 11 2007, 06:05 AM) [snapback]369961[/snapback]
You can see Cotto-Judah clips in the Cotto highlight video I made

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigmBs2GCuE



Nice video, dude.
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post Dec 12 2007, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(Method @ Dec 12 2007, 11:01 AM) [snapback]370117[/snapback]
I actually think Cotto is more competitive w Floyd than Hatton was, and I think a big part of it is because he is much more comfortable at 147 than Hatton was. I was also impressed at Cotto's boxing ability versus Mosley, one of the fastest boxers, at least hand speed-wise, in the sport. Cotto offset Mosley with timing and speed of his own....things that I hadn't previously thought him capable of.

I still expect Mayweather to win, and I could see a stoppage, but I think Cotto would be more competitive.


Method gets it, I don't know why everyone doesn't.

It's almost like people have totally forgotten that Cotto CAN box. We saw him do it against Abdulaev, and more recently, against Mosley. His defense has improved every fight and he has MANY more weapons than Hatton - most importantly, a damaging jab. DLH gave PBF big problems and he stopped jabbing and came in throwing crazy hooks late in the fight. Again, he supposedly hurt his rotator cuff, whatever the case was, Cotto is a more dangerous fighter to PBF at this stage in his career than was DLH. Expect this fight to be closer than the DLH fight....which was a SD...so that should tell you how this will go.

I REALLY see PBF fighting in a similar fashion to how he fought DLH, except Cotto will win that style fight.
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