[checkleft]

LMAO!

How many times has the ref, officials, and everyone else (aside from himself) helped Cintron? Doesn't dumb shit ALWAYS happen in his fights? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yes! Someone else sees it! They were really trying to shove that kid down everyone's throat lol

Don't forget his botched swanton bomb through the table

[Cshel86]

Don't forget his botched swanton bomb through the table

"Stunt of the Year"

I dont know what's worse, that crazy dive that he did through the ropes, or the painful display of the English language by Willaims after the fight. I know he was concerned about Cintron's safety, but that speech would've taken any man over the top...possibly into a coma that he should've suffered for diving out of the ring.

[BigDDatHomey]

Again, who DOESN'T fight for bigger paydays? Hell, most of these guys that are out here fighting, are fighting according to the direction that they're promoter is leading is them. Promoters "preserve" their fighters as well...ya know?...making them fight low-risk fights and try to get the lion's share of the purse. Low risk, high reward?

Im wondering why is it a problem for Floyd to do the same? Honestly, if he still had a promoter, then the same thing would be going on. I cant even say that he doesn't necessarily fight the best, but on another note, I felt that Cotto was going to be an easy fight for him, though I gave Cotto a puncher's chance. We saw him in what people would NOW rate as the best fight of his career (as of late). Nobody was saying that before the first bell rang.

Sergio is two weight classes above Floyd and has consistently fought there for 2 years now. The funniest part about Sergio is, his ass cant even decide whether or not, he's a MW or a Jr. MW. When a Kirkland fight was presented to him, he said that Kirkland had to come up to 160, but when a Mayweather fight is brought up...he begs for it and says that he can make 154 comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Funny aint it?

Why would he make Kirkland move up in weight, but not Floyd? He views Kirkland as a risk, but he (Sergio) is willing to risk his health to fight for what? Yep you got it...a big payday. Again, African Americans dont dominate the market as they once did, so it's best to strike while the iron's hot...i.e. Mayweather picking Ortiz after a big victory over an undefeated Berto.

Guys are complaining about Floyd "cherry picking" and not fighting the best, but again, that $32M guaranteed purse speaks volumes that people are trying to overlook. I would say that some people need to take notes...

Floyd has managed to "preserve" his body by calculating the risk before and during his fights, and most of all...he's managed to preserve brain cells. Im sure he thought Cotto would be an easy fight (though he doesn't underestimate her opponents), but we saw it a bit differently. So cherry picking doesn't always mean a "safe fight" when the bell rings, because one punch can change that...

I'm jumping in this a little late. CShel hit the nail on the head. C'mon ya'll. It's all about the payday, that's why everyone tries to call out the cash cow.
Sergio is too big. If Sergio had a huge following, the risk might be worth the reward. I don't see the point in Mayweather fighting him.

[leonthegee]

Haha are you serious? Did you even watch the Cintron fight? He literally knocked the guy out, the fight was over, they basically gave Cintron a do over! Not only that they robbed Martinez on the cards too! Lmfao

Serg was definetly robbed in that fight. Totally agree with that but it should of never been close. Serg is not a volume puncher hes a pot shotter really. And if you think hes gonna hop around his way to a victory against Floyd your crasy.

[BoxingStill#1]

Im just kinda lost on the "best PPV #'s fighters arent the best fighters" thingy...

I mean I get the point, but arent they the PPV draw for a reason?

People want to see Floyed lose sooooo bad.. hahha.. shits funny.. they act like Martinez (a huge middle weight) would walk right through Floyed...

It would be a boxing match dude... Floyed would pot shot his ass back to Lou dibella's office cryin for a rematch or a shot at Pac....(same thing he's been beggin for for 2 years now)

Punchers chance.....

[Jovi]

I know the whole top draw thing is an argument, but people act like floyd only takes big money fights. He fought Victor ortiz recently, who wasnt that big of a draw at all, i dont see that being an argument in the martinez case because HE WILL TAKE WHATEVER DEAL FLOYD GIVES HIM. which would still be his biggest payday, and that goes to any fighter going up against mayweather, even pacquiao.

The best BOXER of this era to me, is floyd, hands down. but people really do discredit martinez to say he wouldnt beat him, he is sloppy, alittle too sloppy especially fighting with his hands down since he gets hit. But he takes the punches and takes the punishment because he can. He would have a reach advantage (76" to floyd's 72"), he is stronger than mayweather. People seem to get about martinez's right hand too. He has power in both hands, bigger, stronger, and just a few levels down of floyds speed..He has that lights out left hand too!! haha

Though every fight is different, this would defintely be his hardest challenge. And he has said before he would like to move up and face martinez (which is why i began to follow martinez), but recently martinez has just gotten better. I'm glad floyd is at the top, i just want him to beat people who matter, so he can finally get his credit. and if martinez did come down and lose to floyd, even if at the catchweight, that would be some hoodpoints.

This fight would be a new Leonard/Hearns! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Cshel86]

I know the whole top draw thing is an argument, but people act like floyd only takes big money fights.

C'mon man...HE DOES...

He fought Victor ortiz recently, who wasnt that big of a draw at all

Ortiz was enough of a draw for Mayweather to pick him. Besides, GBP was still trying to build Ortiz up, despite the Maidana quit-session. Let's not forget how Ortiz basically embarrassed an undefeated African American fighter, just months before that. Floyd was present at that fight, it went public, Ortiz won in a beautiful fashion, the fight was already in the works...period.

Martinez hasn't done enough to even open the eyes of the public, other than the Williams knockout. Nobody else remembers anything beyond that...well, casual fans dont remember, let alone, know anything about it.

people really do discredit martinez to say he wouldnt beat him, he is sloppy, alittle too sloppy especially fighting with his hands down since he gets hit. But he takes the punches and takes the punishment because he can

How often does Martinez get hit? Most of the guys that he fought were no match for him anyway, and he's not even this big p4p fighter that people label him, so that should tell you something.

He would have a reach advantage (76" to floyd's 72"), he is stronger than mayweather.

Stop reading boxrec and watch the Tale of the Tape from HBO, which will possibly be the network that this "fantasy fight" takes place. Floyd has a 26 inch arm length, and Sergio has 24 inch arm length.

People seem to get about martinez's right hand too. He has power in both hands, bigger, stronger, and just a few levels down of floyds speed..He has that lights out left hand too!! haha

That "lights out" left hand that people are still holding on to (since the Williams rematch) only works down the stretch when a guy is tired, or early in the beginning when opponents like Williams are known for leaving their right hand down when throwing or resetting. He only has "power in both hands" because he is accurate enough to land his punches, but that does NOT mean that he has that much power.

And he has said before he would like to move up and face martinez (which is why i began to follow martinez)

He also said that Pacquiao was next...have we seen that yet? Not everything that Floyd says is the truth, and the result of his decisions are usually based on money, and low risk. If he has to take bigger risks, then he moves up in weight for big paydays/a crossover fight (De La Hoya fight), or when he stands to make the biggest guaranteed purse in boxing history (Cotto fight).

Martinez doesn't bring what Oscar or Miguel brings, which is projected revenue, translation: a fight that not only hardcore fans want to see, but nearly clueless/casual fans.

I'm glad floyd is at the top, i just want him to beat people who matter, so he can finally get his credit.

Opponents that "matter" better have money attached to their name, or else. PS: He will NEVER get his credit. He can save every hungry child in Africa, and find the cure for AIDS...it STILL wont matter.

This fight would be a new Leonard/Hearns! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Stop it, please.

Sometimes we give Martinez too much credit, and forget that he cant land a meaningful fight to save his life, let alone, get the attention of the big dogs. Sometimes guys get mad at folks for lining up Floyd's next fight and accuse him of ducking, but those same people that get mad, try to steer away from being called a nuthugger by giving the "fantasy opponent" credit enough to fight Floyd. Weird...

[Hotsauce]

Yea, it seems to me, we have some DIE HARD Mayweather blind fans, even to say Martinez does not deserve 20%. Wow, Then who deserves to fight Mayweather, NO ONE in the sport today makes half of what he makes. NO one. Not even the runner up Pacman. But then again- to be honest, mayweather did not become MONEY mayweather from fighting the best, but fighting the best paydays. -First nice payday from De la hoya-retired. Then came back and fought Ricky hatton-big fan base-then retired, then came back and fought Marquez who jumped up 2 wt classes-BIG Mexican fan base, then Mosley who had a strong name....What i'm saying is that since mayweather beat oscar, became the cash cow, have we seen him fight the best???? That's a tuff conversation because ppl say what he do to deserve that fight, Martinez ko'd his last 4 opponents, the last 1 of them being undefeated. The belt cotto and margarito fight was for was martinez belt, no-one wanted to take it from him so he vacated it. I'm a mayweather fan, but u dnt become a CASH COW by fighting the best, but by fighting the best FAN-Base. and keeping mexicans and ricans on the undercard. Mayweather didnt get the attraction until he BEAT Oscar, before that, no ppv. So he wants to fight the best, who in welter weight beating sergio? who was the 154lb champ... but the fans been duped into the whole, he dont deserve a payday... Victor ortiz highest pay b4 mayweather was $600,000, he fought may and got 10times that. $6million. May received $30mill. Which is 20%. but It seems now, Mayweather gets a free pass because ppl fell into his money persona, that if u dnt make great ppv numbers, u cant beat me. Look at his last 3 fights and tell me he did those numbers by himself, yeah, right. He likes to have a Mexican and rican on the undercard,-THEY SPEND money- look at Oscar vs floyd-before that, floyd did not have BIG PPV numbers. Sergio would give floyd problems at 154. But speak with the facts. Sergio fought at 147, couldnt get a fight so he moved up in weight. ...
Floyd losses that fight if u ask me.... after his cotto performance, -martinez is a slick southpaw counter puncher, with a hard over hand left, ko- bigger guys.

lol @ me being a die hard mayweather fan


ortiz at least is a mexican, sergio deserves a flat fee and thats it.

[checkleft]

Serg was definetly robbed in that fight. Totally agree with that but it should of never been close. Serg is not a volume puncher hes a pot shotter really. And if you think hes gonna hop around his way to a victory against Floyd your crasy.

Your right it shouldn't have been close, because he knocked the guy out right before they gave him a do over.. he hit him so hard he thought it was a headbutt

[Hotsauce]

C'mon man...Sergio is too big, he's really a big dude. He may weigh-in under 160 (like he weighed 157.5 against Macklin), but he rehydrates to around 165 or maybe even close to 170 since his unofficial weight wasn't announced for the Macklin fight.

Floyd has NO BUSINESS at 154, unless it's "business" which translates to MONEY. The only two times that he went to 154 and didn't try to hit the weight, was against Oscar (which was his highest payday at the time, and a crossover fight), then Cotto (which earned him the highest guaranteed purse in the sport of boxing).

I dont see how Sergio brings ANY of this to the table. If anything, Canelo is worth another trip to 154, but for obvious reasons...MONEY. Sergio is a begging MW with no fan base, and has never had a big payday. He cant even land one in a division that he's been in for 2 years now. The fact that Pacquiao wont even fight the dude when he's dead at 150 lbs should be very telling...

also floyd 2 highest ppvs and the 2 highest non heavyweight ppvs.

2.4 mill(floyd/oscar)

1.5 mill(floyd/cotto)