[Lil-lightsout]

Just a few problems with this one.

When Hopkins fought Winky it was not at MW, when he fought Tito, Tito was a certified beast in the eyes of many and a heavy favourite in that fight (certainly a more prime version than the one Roid got his hands on) and De la Hoya was the boxing version of winning a lottery ticket and a no-brainer.

You are forgetting Simon Brown who was a welterweight who seen better days.

There was also Andrew Council who was not a real middleweight or an elite fighter.

Let's not forget a washed up blown up Carl Daniels.

And there was also Keith Holmes, who was not a middleweight.

So here are 4 more fights at during his middleweight reign against crappy opposition. I like Hopkins, especially what he has done in the last bunch of years, but there is no debating he had many soft touches at middleweight.

Not that he had to, but he could have moved up and fought better competition when there was some top 168 pound fighters around. I honestly think he knew the middleweight division was weak and he made the weight so why move up and risk it with much tougher fights.

I saw every single one of the fights above, in fact I have seen every single televised fight of Hopkins since the early 90's.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

You are forgetting Simon Brown who was a welterweight who seen better days.

There was also Andrew Council who was not a real middleweight or an elite fighter.

Let's not forget a washed up blown up Carl Daniels.

And there was also Keith Holmes, who was not a middleweight.

So here are 4 more fights at during his middleweight reign against crappy opposition. I like Hopkins, especially what he has done in the last bunch of years, but there is no debating he had many soft touches at middleweight.

Not that he had to, but he could have moved up and fought better competition when there was some top 168 pound fighters around. I honestly think he knew the middleweight division was weak and he made the weight so why move up and risk it with much tougher fights.

I saw every single one of the fights above, in fact I have seen every single televised fight of Hopkins since the early 90's.

Yeah but my point is Hopkins beat who they pout in front of him. he did it 20 times and that is no mean feat. was the division weaker than usual? maybe. If he had to fight say Toney and Jones Junior in their MW primes for titles he probably wouldn't have got to 20 but fact is he did. The examples the dude gave I just thought were a little weak.

[Mean Mister Must...]

You are forgetting Simon Brown who was a welterweight who seen better days.

There was also Andrew Council who was not a real middleweight or an elite fighter.

Let's not forget a washed up blown up Carl Daniels.

And there was also Keith Holmes, who was not a middleweight.

So here are 4 more fights at during his middleweight reign against crappy opposition. I like Hopkins, especially what he has done in the last bunch of years, but there is no debating he had many soft touches at middleweight.

Not that he had to, but he could have moved up and fought better competition when there was some top 168 pound fighters around. I honestly think he knew the middleweight division was weak and he made the weight so why move up and risk it with much tougher fights.

I saw every single one of the fights above, in fact I have seen every single televised fight of Hopkins since the early 90's.

Keith Holmes was a pretty good fighter man. When you defend your title 20 times, there's bound to be some soft touches.

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Keith Holmes was a pretty good fighter man. When you defend your title 20 times, there's bound to be some soft touches.

+1

[Lil-lightsout]

Yeah but my point is Hopkins beat who they pout in front of him. he did it 20 times and that is no mean feat. was the division weaker than usual? maybe. If he had to fight say Toney and Jones Junior in their MW primes for titles he probably wouldn't have got to 20 but fact is he did. The examples the dude gave I just thought were a little weak.

Definitely weaker!

I was just adding a few of the weaker touches he fought during his reign. Hey and while we are at it, let's not forget Hakaar(sp.?)!!! That defense should not have even counted. That was the equivalent of Roy Jones beating that police officer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Keith Holmes was a pretty good fighter man. When you defend your title 20 times, there's bound to be some soft touches.

Keith Holmes was a decent fighter, but he was not a legit middleweight. Hopkins mauled him and beat him easy. I ain't hating on Hops either, it is a great feat he accomplished. Why does Roy Jones never get this slack?

Guys like Allen, Mercado, Echols, Lipsey were true middleweights.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Definitely weaker!

I was just adding a few of the weaker touches he fought during his reign. Hey and while we are at it, let's not forget Hakaar(sp.?)!!! That defense should not have even counted. That was the equivalent of Roy Jones beating that police officer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)






Keith Holmes was a decent fighter, but he was not a legit middleweight. Hopkins mauled him and beat him easy. I ain't hating on Hops either, it is a great feat he accomplished. Why does Roy Jones never get this slack?

Guys like Allen, Mercado, Echols, Lipsey were true middleweights.

I don't think Roy Jones gets too much grief for his career up until the second Tarver fight. Where Roy gets grief is for hanging on too long and not knowing when to quit. If I see much criticism for Roy it's mainly because of this.

[Lil-lightsout]

I don't think Roy Jones gets too much grief for his career up until the second Tarver fight. Where Roy gets grief is for hanging on too long and not knowing when to quit. If I see much criticism for Roy it's mainly because of this.

Sorry bro, but I disagree. I would say Jones has been hounded for his opposition his whole career by so many. Sure people can also pick at some of Jones' opponents, which I agree with some are questionable. I am just stating people always harped on his opponent selection while forgetting others have had their soft touches too.

[bnoles4life]

Just a few problems with this one.

When Hopkins fought Winky it was not at MW, when he fought Tito, Tito was a certified beast in the eyes of many and a heavy favourite in that fight (certainly a more prime version than the one Roid got his hands on) and De la Hoya was the boxing version of winning a lottery ticket and a no-brainer.

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You're absolutely right, when he fought Winky it was at 170. Winky's fight prior to that was 160 (Ike Quartey), while Bernard had been competing at 170+ for about a year and a half. Furthermore, Winky couldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight at 160, you KNOW (as did B-Hop) that he wasn't movin' nothing at 10 lbs north. I'll give you that, Tito is an all-time great, but my point is, B-Hop fought smaller, no threat fighters as well. However, Roy gets the "cab driver" moniker, while B-Hop gets the 20 defenses, 10 year parade. While that is a "no-kidding, incredible" accomplishment, I just marvel at how the media accepts that, but roasts Roy, for seemingly the same thing.

Again, this isn't to discredit Bernard or anything like that, I just find the perspective in which people view B-Hop, in stark contrast to how they view Roy.