[SENTRAL]

Floyd Mayweather is quite possibly the most overrated fighter of all time.  Ever.  In the history of boxing.  Seriously I am not setting out to diminish the talents of the man but I've come to the conclusion he is by far the most overrated boxer I have ever had the pleasure to watch.  I would agree with the majority of ardent boxing followers that Floyd Mayweather was an exceptionally talented super featherweight and he produced his best work at this weight class.  He was a hungry fighter back then who reached fantastical performances against genuine threats to his undefeated record and world titles.  His victory over the late Diego Corrales was awe inspiring.  Clinical, ferocious, beautiful. I could see every reason to place Mayweather amongst the top 2 super featherweight champions of all time.  Let us remember, since it's inception in 1963 the WBC title, which Floyd held in such dominating fashion, has been held by less than 30 fighters. 
Mayweather ranks higher in this weight category than any of the others he has boxed in because he was a genuinely marvelous 130Ib fighter.  Some may say Arguello was the best at 130, others will point to Chavez and there will also be mentions for the likes of Nelson, Elorde, Escallera, Serranoand the often overlooked Brian Mitchell.  

I wouldn't entertain debating the legitimacy of those who say he was the very best 130Ib'er as I couldn't make an argument strong enough to dispute such a notion.

So where do we place Mayweather amongst the historically much deeper lightweight division, a weight class steeped in some of the sports most amazing fighters?  OK, let's make this easy.  Let's include him in a list which stretches back just 30 years to start off with.  Whitaker takes the number one spot here without question because he spent the majority of his career there, dominated all comers and unified the titles.  Mosley also ranks above him here.  His body of work far exceeds Mayweathers at lightweight, absolutely and conclusively, as does that of Chavez.  Floyd boxed just 4 times at 135, arguably losing the first match-up against Castillo and only managing to stop Phillip Ndou before he opted to move up to light welterweight.  So if Floyd doesn't make the top 3 from the past 30 years at lightweight it is pointless in going further back in history to the likes of Duran, Leonard, Gans, Williams, Armstrong and Ross.

In 2004 Floyd Mayweather, his reputation already far exceeding his true standing, moved to light welterweight, a division at the time blessed with some very talented fighters.  It was a move up which boxing fans eagerly anticipated seeing him challenged again for the first time since the Castillo fights almost 2 years earlier..  Kostas Tszyu and Miguel Cotto were the names he should have fought.  Instead Floyd opted to meet DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.  A stunningly abysmal resume at 140 and in no way could he ever rank all time above the likes of Tszyu, Pryor, Locche, Ross and McFarland, amongst the many others who have graced a wonderfully talent laden division.

Failing to accomplish anything of major significance at 140 Floyd chose to move up and compete in the welterweight division.  I actually believe it is futile to even begin to imagine how anybody with even a passing historical knowledge of boxing could place him anywhere near the top 10 of fighters who have graced 147. 

Are those who believe the hype merely hypnotized by the myth Floyd has created for himself?  We are talking just 12 fights since the 2nd Castillo bout in 2002, and the glaring omissions on his resume leave him open for questions he has no answer to.  There is no Tszyu, there is no Cotto, there is no Margarito, there is no Williams and there is no Pacquiao.  Hatton was made to move up to a division he had already proven to be ineffective at.  He didn't even bother making the stipulated weight for the Marquez bout despite already being far more accustomed and natural at the heavier poundage. 


Baldimor and Gatti, tonight we had Ortiz.  Floyd Mayweather is absolutely brilliant when it comes to fooling the foolish but when you really analyze his career and his achievements, look further than the flashy performances against cherry picked opposition, his resume is quite pathetic post 130 and I can only feel sympathy and mild embarrassment for those who have bought into the facade which is quite obviously the most overrated fighter of all time.

MODS; why did u delete this thread?

[The Ollie Reed F...]

I'm wondering the same thing. It seems like a fair topic and is actually not related to the Ortiz fight, Olympic testing or the Man-God Pac.

[MrChampagne123]

Naw he underrated actually

[SENTRAL]

Naw he underrated actually

If you disagree I'd appreciate a counter argument.

[SENTRAL]

I'm wondering the same thing. It seems like a fair topic and is actually not ryelated to the Ortiz fight, Olympic testing or the Man-God Pac.

I am not a troll or a spammer, I know you know that. Was disappointed to see the thread deleted with no explanation as to why?

[MrChampagne123]

His chin is vastly underrated. Ortiz is considered a power puncher and his punches had no effect on Money. Money made Ortiz miss at will his defense is maybe better then whittakers. his accuracy is better then any living or none living boxer in history. no boxer ever had a better hit to none hit ratio in boxing. he tagged Ortiz at will and member he was coming off a laypff imagin if he fought asd regualr as Other fighters he would be even sharper. overrated really I think not.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

His chin is vastly underrated. Ortiz is considered a power puncher and his punches had no effect on Money. Money made Ortiz miss at will his defense is maybe better then whittakers. his accuracy is better then any living or none living boxer in history. no boxer ever had a better hit to none hit ratio in boxing. he tagged Ortiz at will and member he was coming off a laypff imagin if he fought asd regualr as Other fighters he would be even sharper. overrated really I think not.

Firstly Ortiz never hit him flush so whether his chin could take Victor's shots is a moot point. If you think he's got a better defense than Whittaker then you clearly probably stole the crack pipe Sweetpea was smoking.

His accuracy is better than any living or non-living boxer? How do you guage that?

And let me finish by saying that beating up upon a B-level champ like Victor Ortiz is no yardstick to greatness. SENTRAL took the time to make a point by point analysis of why Mayweather's career is overrated and your riposte is just some vague generalizations that you've pulled out of your ass. You are an embarrassment to Floyd fans.

[Box in Hand]

The same logic you apply to Floyd can be applied to all of em. This isn't back in the days when fighters fought everyone in and around their divisions. Nowadays the politics and BS stop so many good fights from happening. I can explicitly remember Cotto's folks saying he wasn't ready for Floyd yet. Pacquiao's resume as of late is also suspect. Roy Jones as great as he was also did not fight the best around and the same goes for Tyson. To sit here and call someone overrated who has beaten all of his opponents with the questionable first fight against Castillo is a little harsh. Floyd fought some good fighters and made them look like shit. Tonight he made Ortiz look like a kid and as much as we don't like his personality overrated is not the word we should use to describe him.

[HazConvictedFelo...]

Floyd Mayweather is quite possibly the most overrated fighter of all time.  Ever.  In the history of boxing.  Seriously I am not setting out to diminish the talents of the man but I've come to the conclusion he is by far the most overrated boxer I have ever had the pleasure to watch.  I would agree with the majority of ardent boxing followers that Floyd Mayweather was an exceptionally talented super featherweight and he produced his best work at this weight class.  He was a hungry fighter back then who reached fantastical performances against genuine threats to his undefeated record and world titles.  His victory over the late Diego Corrales was awe inspiring.  Clinical, ferocious, beautiful. I could see every reason to place Mayweather amongst the top 2 super featherweight champions of all time.  Let us remember, since it's inception in 1963 the WBC title, which Floyd held in such dominating fashion, has been held by less than 30 fighters. 
Mayweather ranks higher in this weight category than any of the others he has boxed in because he was a genuinely marvelous 130Ib fighter.  Some may say Arguello was the best at 130, others will point to Chavez and there will also be mentions for the likes of Nelson, Elorde, Escallera, Serranoand the often overlooked Brian Mitchell.  

I wouldn't entertain debating the legitimacy of those who say he was the very best 130Ib'er as I couldn't make an argument strong enough to dispute such a notion.

So where do we place Mayweather amongst the historically much deeper lightweight division, a weight class steeped in some of the sports most amazing fighters?  OK, let's make this easy.  Let's include him in a list which stretches back just 30 years to start off with.  Whitaker takes the number one spot here without question because he spent the majority of his career there, dominated all comers and unified the titles.  Mosley also ranks above him here.  His body of work far exceeds Mayweathers at lightweight, absolutely and conclusively, as does that of Chavez.  Floyd boxed just 4 times at 135, arguably losing the first match-up against Castillo and only managing to stop Phillip Ndou before he opted to move up to light welterweight.  So if Floyd doesn't make the top 3 from the past 30 years at lightweight it is pointless in going further back in history to the likes of Duran, Leonard, Gans, Williams, Armstrong and Ross.

In 2004 Floyd Mayweather, his reputation already far exceeding his true standing, moved to light welterweight, a division at the time blessed with some very talented fighters.  It was a move up which boxing fans eagerly anticipated seeing him challenged again for the first time since the Castillo fights almost 2 years earlier..  Kostas Tszyu and Miguel Cotto were the names he should have fought.  Instead Floyd opted to meet DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.  A stunningly abysmal resume at 140 and in no way could he ever rank all time above the likes of Tszyu, Pryor, Locche, Ross and McFarland, amongst the many others who have graced a wonderfully talent laden division.

Failing to accomplish anything of major significance at 140 Floyd chose to move up and compete in the welterweight division.  I actually believe it is futile to even begin to imagine how anybody with even a passing historical knowledge of boxing could place him anywhere near the top 10 of fighters who have graced 147. 

Are those who believe the hype merely hypnotized by the myth Floyd has created for himself?  We are talking just 12 fights since the 2nd Castillo bout in 2002, and the glaring omissions on his resume leave him open for questions he has no answer to.  There is no Tszyu, there is no Cotto, there is no Margarito, there is no Williams and there is no Pacquiao.  Hatton was made to move up to a division he had already proven to be ineffective at.  He didn't even bother making the stipulated weight for the Marquez bout despite already being far more accustomed and natural at the heavier poundage. 


Baldimor and Gatti, tonight we had Ortiz.  Floyd Mayweather is absolutely brilliant when it comes to fooling the foolish but when you really analyze his career and his achievements, look further than the flashy performances against cherry picked opposition, his resume is quite pathetic post 130 and I can only feel sympathy and mild embarrassment for those who have bought into the facade which is quite obviously the most overrated fighter of all time.

MODS; why did u delete this thread?

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[JONdaCON817]

it took you 7 paragraphs to say the first sentence... juss like a woman.