[Warlord]

I'm off my rocker, but you just stated that the Rocky franchise was one of the most popular movie franchises in history. Why was that again?? Oh yeah, it depicts a white AMERICAN guy becoming heavyweight champion. Granted, he wasnt from Kansas or Texas or Montana, but he was white and american. It went over very well with US audiences.

It went over well all over the world, Einstein, because it was the story of an underdog fighting the odds. If you knew half as much about the world as you thought you did, you'd realize the fallacy in your weak-ass arguments. I was in Japan when Rocky Balboa came out (called Rocky: The Final there) and it was HUGE. Stallone is a god in asia, due in large part to the Rocky franchise. I'm in Shanghai now, and even these close-minded commie bastards here know Rocky, grew up watching that shit, the whole nine. And China is one of the most fucking RACIST countries I've ever been to. You think you got it rough in the States, bring your ass down here and see what you think, you little victim. You'd shit your pants and drown in tears of self-pity and sorrow. The first thing these commie bastards would ask you is what part of Africa you're from, and then they'd call you a "black shit dog" behind your back the minute you stepped away. Heard it plenty of times myself since I've been here.

Oh yeah, got a friend from Moscow too. She grew up during the soviet era. Know what she thinks about Rocky movies? She loves them. Guess everyone in the world is blind to the inherent racism and nationalism in Rocky except you. Congratulations smart guy, you've outsmarted us all again.

Let me tell you guys something. If you know any old black men, say 50 or 60, they hate the Rocky movies. My father stopped wathcing after Rocky 1. He was pissed off. At the time Ali was champ and there was no white guy in the foreseeable future who was going to be champ. My dad said at the time, they had to manufacture one. I remember his whole speech about the great white hope and all.

So Rocky was an attempt by the white man to create a white champion, eh? All just another ploy of the white man. Jesus, lol, you're so fucking pathetic with this shit I'm about to cry.

Let me clue you in on something, honey. Sylvester Stallone wrote the screen-play for Rocky himself. It wasn't cooked up by some KKK member in Alabama. Stallone wrote it after seeing Chuck Wepner nearly pull off the upset against Muhammad Ali.

And in case you forgot, Rocky LOST in the first fight. So how the fuck was it some national conspiracy to shit on the black man and fool the public into believing a white man was the real champion of the world? Jesus fucking Christ.

I guess maybe Spike Lee should remake it with an all black cast and see how that goes over today.

Yeah, and in the words of Paul Rooney "I've got an idea for a film. It's called The Last Nigger On Earth starring Tom Hanks."

And for the record, I enjoyed the Rocky movies up to #4. 3 was probably my favorite of the series, because of Mr T.

Mr. T was the ONLY good thing about Rocky 3. Hulk Hogan sucks, and nearly made the film into a joke.

4 was awesome too, but I guess you didn't like that because the idea of a white, foreign skyscraper beating the mess out of American heavyweights was too far fetched, eh? Just another conspiracy by the white man, I reckon.

Rocky Balboa was excellent was well, but I reckon we can't mention that here because a black-as-shit light heavyweight beat Rocky in that one, and it'd totally shatter the good vibes of delusional racism we got going on.

Forget the fact that we have a black president, the world's most famous golfer ever, and Floyd fucking Gayweather doing a million fucking plus in pay-per-views, 'cause the white man is still somehow holding the black man down. I mean, if the white man weren't working so hard at it, Tiger Woods would probably be even blacker, and more succesful, and Floyd Mayweather would've done a zillion pay-per-view buys, no matter how big of a jack-ass he is. And Obama would be elected emperor for life.

Goddamn the white man, does his power know no bounds?

[BGv2.0]

There was no racial aspect to boxing in say 1930?? Are you kidding.

The fact that Tommy Morrison is remembered, says something. Tommy Morrison was a contender who won a vacant fringe title. Why was he so popular. Like I said earlier, he is better known today than Michael Moorer who won the lineal title from a popular champ(Holy). Morrison is on a who's who list because he's the white guy from that era. Not because he was in Rocky 5(who the hell actually was still watching after Rocky 4?), like some others claimed.

Tommy Morrison was best known and had the most visibility because of his skin color.

NOBODY is arguing that there was not a racial aspect in 1930.....we are speaking of 1995-current in relation to popularity of certain boxers.

Maybe he is better known than Moorer...because he beat Foreman while Moorer was KO'd by him.....maybe he is better known than Moorer because just about all of his fights were exciting, whereas Moorer's more prominant fights later in his HW career were about as boring as watching paint dry. Maybe some folks recall Morrison due to Rocky and AIDS instead of remembering a guy who would barely speak two words in most of his interviews.

Morrison makes most fans list of 1990's guys because he was knocking people straight the fuck out with his left hook.....fought a who's who list of contneders and champs....beat George Foreman.

He does not make the cut because he was the white guy in the division at the time.

Personally I always list Moorer as a top HW at that time...but again many may forget him because he was often lethargic and boring, spoke very little, and his win over Holyfield was odd and boring and was more a case of an off Holy than an on Moorer.

I don't think people forget him because he is black.

[The Original MrF...]

It went over well all over the world, Einstein, because it was the story of an underdog fighting the odds. If you knew half as much about the world as you thought you did, you'd realize the fallacy in your weak-ass arguments. I was in Japan when Rocky Balboa came out (called Rocky: The Final there) and it was HUGE. Stallone is a god in asia, due in large part to the Rocky franchise. I'm in Shanghai now, and even these close-minded commie bastards here know Rocky, grew up watching that shit, the whole nine. And China is one of the most fucking RACIST countries I've ever been to. You think you got it rough in the States, bring your ass down here and see what you think, you little victim. You'd shit your pants and drown in tears of self-pity and sorrow. The first thing these commie bastards would ask you is what part of Africa you're from, and then they'd call you a "black shit dog" behind your back the minute you stepped away. Heard it plenty of times myself since I've been here.

Oh yeah, got a friend from Moscow too. She grew up during the soviet era. Know what she thinks about Rocky movies? She loves them. Guess everyone in the world is blind to the inherent racism and nationalism in Rocky except you. Congratulations smart guy, you've outsmarted us all again.

Boy arent you a bit angry and upping the ante to a personal level. You are also making up strawmen. 1st. This debate pertains to the US. You brought up this international shit to say what? I do understand that there is a different perception on race globally. Larry Mercant said Ranch in texas. He didnt say ranch in Shaghai. 2nd, I've never cried any victimhood. That sounds like some Rush Limbaugh shit when he talks about hate crimes. I'm no victim. I'm pretty succesful at what i do and I'm happy to be an American. 3rd, I've been called alot worse than a black shit dog here in this country. Its gotten as bad as people putting dead fish in our mailbox because we were the only black family in the neighborhood. I dont blame that shit on you, I blame it on the individuals that did it. I've been nothing but respectful to you. You may not like my views. I wont ever take it to a personal level with you or anyone else here.

So Rocky was an attempt by the white man to create a white champion, eh? All just another ploy of the white man. Jesus, lol, you're so fucking pathetic with this shit I'm about to cry.

Let me clue you in on something, honey. Sylvester Stallone wrote the screen-play for Rocky himself. It wasn't cooked up by some KKK member in Alabama. Stallone wrote it after seeing Chuck Wepner nearly pull off the upset against Muhammad Ali.

And in case you forgot, Rocky LOST in the first fight. So how the fuck was it some national conspiracy to shit on the black man and fool the public into believing a white man was the real champion of the world? Jesus fucking Christ.

Again you are making up arguments about shit, that I didnt say. Please quote where I stated that Rocky was an attempt by the whiteman to create a white champion? I'm very knowledgable about the history of Rocky movies. There was the aspect of the up and comer getting his, but there was also a racial aspect to it. I dont think Sly intended it that way, but that is the way it was perceived. Do you deny that?? Do you deny that there was a large segment of the American audience that wanted to see a white heavyweight champ? They got it in Rocky. Also, in Rocky 2 he won the championship. I thought we were talking about the franchise. If you reduced your brewing temperature long enough and read what was written you'd notice that we were talking about the franchise. Nowhere does it state JUST ROCKY 1!!

Yeah, and in the words of Paul Rooney "I've got an idea for a film. It's called The Last Nigger On Earth starring Tom Hanks."


Mr. T was the ONLY good thing about Rocky 3. Hulk Hogan sucks, and nearly made the film into a joke.

Thats your opinion. I was a big Mr T fan after that movie. I also liked and still like the theme song Eye of the Tiger. I guess I have to list that next time so I'm not perceived as a reverse racist.

4 was awesome too, but I guess you didn't like that because the idea of a white, foreign skyscraper beating the mess out of American heavyweights was too far fetched, eh? Just another conspiracy by the white man, I reckon.

See you are still arguing with some shit I never said. I never gave an opinion one way or the other on 4. I liked Rocky 4. i Ran to the theater with my friends to see it when it came out. I guess that kinda blows your argument the fuck up.

Rocky Balboa was excellent was well, but I reckon we can't mention that here because a black-as-shit light heavyweight beat Rocky in that one, and it'd totally shatter the good vibes of delusional racism we got going on.

Rocky Balboa was just ok to me. Rocky 5 was just awful. 1-4 were pretty good. I liked 3 & 4 the best. Now you actually have some substance to argue off of because I actually gave my opinion.

Forget the fact that we have a black president, the world's most famous golfer ever, and Floyd fucking Gayweather doing a million fucking plus in pay-per-views, 'cause the white man is still somehow holding the black man down. I mean, if the white man weren't working so hard at it, Tiger Woods would probably be even blacker, and more succesful, and Floyd Mayweather would've done a zillion pay-per-view buys, no matter how big of a jack-ass he is. And Obama would be elected emperor for life.

Goddamn the white man, does his power know no bounds?

I dont know how this came from me stating my opinion from what Larry Merchant said, "What if the Klits were from a ranch in Texas?" I've agreed that there was a nationalistic flavor to the quote, but I also believe there was a racial aspect. Its my opinion. Many have made the case that they dont agree with it. Thats fine. We all dont agree on alot of shit here. If we all agreed then hell, there would be no discussion. Someone would post a topic and there would be no responses. Its fine that we disagree about Mayweather being P4P #1. But dammit dont the attack dogs come out if you bring up race on here. Folks get heated. I take it like any other discussion on the board.

One othere thing. I think its an interesting talk when a black man talks race with a bunch of (I'm guessing that many of you are white and American) white guys. We see the world so very differently and its really come out in this discussion. I hold nothing against all of you. I hope none of you hold anything against me. After all this is a discussion board.

[Warlord]

I'm very knowledgable about the history of Rocky movies. There was the aspect of the up and comer getting his, but there was also a racial aspect to it. I dont think Sly intended it that way, but that is the way it was perceived. Do you deny that??

Do I deny there was racism in Rocky? Yes. Racism is defined as thinking that one race is inherently superior to another. That was never present in any of the Rocky films. In sports, black men compete against white men. That doesn't make them racist. It makes them athletes.

Do I deny that a select number of dumb idiots with small minds watched Rocky and got butt-hurt because the hero wasn't black, and figured it was a racist ploy by the white man to live out his fantasies of seeing a black man get beat down in a boxing ring? Well, I would've denied it before I read your post. I can't deny it anymore. I guess there really are people that stupid in the world. At least, according to you there are. I'll take your word for it though.

Do you deny that there was a large segment of the American audience that wanted to see a white heavyweight champ?

No. But that doesn't make them racist.

They got it in Rocky.

Just because a racist sees something he/she likes in a film doesn't make said film racist. Surely you can get that concept through your mind?

I was a big Mr T fan after that movie.

Me too. I liked him because he was cool. He's the reason I watched the A-Team. I've always liked Mr. T. Why did you like him? Because he was black? Why didn't you like Tommy Gunn? Because he was white? How about Ivan Drago? Did his whiteness preclude you from liking him? Using your own logic, I would have to call you a RACIST.

I also liked and still like the theme song Eye of the Tiger. I guess I have to list that next time so I'm not perceived as a reverse racist.

What happened to you, man? You used to be cool. Being from Atlanta, being a Falcons fan, being a Vick fan, I thought, "Wow, it's cool to have someone from my hometown on the boards." And then you reduce yourself to this shit.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A REVERSE-RACIST!!! Do you think racism only applies when it's being aimed at blacks? Don't put your ignorance on display anymore. Please. Racism is racism, no matter who is doing it, or where it is being directed. If a black man hates a white man for being white, he's a fucking racist. Got it? It's not reverse racism, and he's not a reverse racist. He's just a fucking racist. Get that shit through your skull.

Rocky Balboa was just ok to me. Rocky 5 was just awful. 1-4 were pretty good. I liked 3 & 4 the best. Now you actually have some substance to argue off of because I actually gave my opinion.

Rocky 1 is clearly the best film of the franchise. 4 is the best for action. 3 is the funniest. 2 was good, but more of a re-tread. 5 blew. RB was a great book-end for the series, but had the weakest opponent for Rocky. (Not because he was black either, but because he was a fucking milk-dud, so don't bring your bullshit back for another round.)

I dont know how this came from me stating my opinion from what Larry Merchant said, "What if the Klits were from a ranch in Texas?" I've agreed that there was a nationalistic flavor to the quote, but I also believe there was a racial aspect.

Vitali is white, therefore, logically, Merchant's comment could not factually be related to race. But then again, you aren't arguing logically at this point. And haven't been for some time.

Its my opinion. Many have made the case that they dont agree with it. Thats fine. We all dont agree on alot of shit here. If we all agreed then hell, there would be no discussion. Someone would post a topic and there would be no responses. Its fine that we disagree about Mayweather being P4P #1.

I think Mayweather is the P4P best fighter in the world today. I also think he is the P4P #1 jackass in boxing today too. I won't NOT say that because of his skin tone. A jack ass is a fucking jack ass, and I'm gonna call it everytime I see it.

But dammit dont the attack dogs come out if you bring up race on here.

It does when it is an unfounded statement, like the ones you keep bringing up.

One othere thing. I think its an interesting talk when a black man talks race with a bunch of (I'm guessing that many of you are white and American) white guys. We see the world so very differently and its really come out in this discussion. I hold nothing against all of you. I hope none of you hold anything against me. After all this is a discussion board.

I'm still laughing about how you assume the people you are talking to are white.

[Method]

Let me clue you in on something, honey. Sylvester Stallone wrote the screen-play for Rocky himself. It wasn't cooked up by some KKK member in Alabama. Stallone wrote it after seeing Chuck Wepner nearly pull off the upset against Muhammad Ali.

And in case you forgot, Rocky LOST in the first fight. So how the fuck was it some national conspiracy to shit on the black man and fool the public into believing a white man was the real champion of the world? Jesus fucking Christ....


...Rocky Balboa was excellent was well, but I reckon we can't mention that here because a black-as-shit light heavyweight beat Rocky in that one, and it'd totally shatter the good vibes of delusional racism we got going on.

Forget the fact that we have a black president, the world's most famous golfer ever, and Floyd fucking Gayweather doing a million fucking plus in pay-per-views, 'cause the white man is still somehow holding the black man down. I mean, if the white man weren't working so hard at it, Tiger Woods would probably be even blacker, and more succesful, and Floyd Mayweather would've done a zillion pay-per-view buys, no matter how big of a jack-ass he is. And Obama would be elected emperor for life.

Goddamn the white man, does his power know no bounds?

While I only quoted a portion of it to save space, that post was...

Priceless.

Just....

Priceless.

[The Original MrF...]

Do I deny there was racism in Rocky? Yes. Racism is defined as thinking that one race is inherently superior to another. That was never present in any of the Rocky films. In sports, black men compete against white men. That doesn't make them racist. It makes them athletes.

Funny, I dont remember seeing the word raceISM in my quote, yet you argued that, that is indeed what I asked. If you reread my quote you'll see that I used the words "racial aspect" to describe how the films were received here in the US. The bad thing is that you went through the trouble to post my quote and still fucked it up. I'm not sure how old you are, but there was a perception by many that there was a racial aspect to the Rocky films. Hell, if you saw Eddie Murphy's Raw, he mentioned it in a humorous way. I dont think Eddie just made the shit up, because it was feeling in many circles was prevalent well before RAW came out.

Do I deny that a select number of dumb idiots with small minds watched Rocky and got butt-hurt because the hero wasn't black, and figured it was a racist ploy by the white man to live out his fantasies of seeing a black man get beat down in a boxing ring? Well, I would've denied it before I read your post. I can't deny it anymore. I guess there really are people that stupid in the world. At least, according to you there are. I'll take your word for it though.

Again, I never said it was a racist ploy by... You know what?? You're just being silly now. I never that either. I'm seeing a pattern now.

No. But that doesn't make them racist.

You keep bringing up the words racist or racism. If I did, please quote me so that I can respond.

Just because a racist sees something he/she likes in a film doesn't make said film racist. Surely you can get that concept through your mind?

I guess if that was something that pertained to what I said, I would answer.

Me too. I liked him because he was cool. He's the reason I watched the A-Team. I've always liked Mr. T. Why did you like him? Because he was black? Why didn't you like Tommy Gunn? Because he was white? How about Ivan Drago? Did his whiteness preclude you from liking him? Using your own logic, I would have to call you a RACIST.

You're not using my logic. I never mentioned Drago. This is getting funny. I'm almost to the point of thinking you are intentionally being funny.

What happened to you, man? You used to be cool. Being from Atlanta, being a Falcons fan, being a Vick fan, I thought, "Wow, it's cool to have someone from my hometown on the boards." And then you reduce yourself to this shit.

I now see why the State of Georgia is rated 48th(last time i checked) in education. Dude your reading comprehension sux!! You keep bringing shit I didnt say into the argument and attributing it to me. I'm glad I wasnt educated here. Sorry I had to go there, but its on display for all to see. The irony here is that right now I'm going over reading comprehension with my son for his homework.

To set the record staright, I'm still the coolest. I'm still a Falcons fan. I still like Mike. I'll still have a beer with you... No hard feelings.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A REVERSE-RACIST!!! Do you think racism only applies when it's being aimed at blacks? Don't put your ignorance on display anymore. Please. Racism is racism, no matter who is doing it, or where it is being directed. If a black man hates a white man for being white, he's a fucking racist. Got it? It's not reverse racism, and he's not a reverse racist. He's just a fucking racist. Get that shit through your skull.

I can agree with you here. Finally you are actually arguing something I said. I stand corrected. Reverse racism is still racism. I must have gotten the term from all the talk radio down here in Ga.

Rocky 1 is clearly the best film of the franchise. 4 is the best for action. 3 is the funniest. 2 was good, but more of a re-tread. 5 blew. RB was a great book-end for the series, but had the weakest opponent for Rocky. (Not because he was black either, but because he was a fucking milk-dud, so don't bring your bullshit back for another round.)

Rocky 1 is the best to you. Thats your opinion. I guess we all have to share that opinion though huh?

Vitali is white, therefore, logically, Merchant's comment could not factually be related to race. But then again, you aren't arguing logically at this point. And haven't been for some time.

I understand he's white. What you dont seem to understand is that he would never have said that about a Nigerian. What if Joshua Clottey was from a ranch in texas? How many black people would come from a ranch in texas? Its my opinion that there was a racial aspect. I'm not calling anyone a racist here, so please spare me the definition of racist again.

I think Mayweather is the P4P best fighter in the world today. I also think he is the P4P #1 jackass in boxing today too. I won't NOT say that because of his skin tone. A jack ass is a fucking jack ass, and I'm gonna call it everytime I see it.
It does when it is an unfounded statement, like the ones you keep bringing up.I'm still laughing about how you assume the people you are talking to are white.

Thats cool, I get it you dont like Mayweather because he's a jerk. Thats your opinion and I'm fine with that. I'm not crazy about him either for many of the same reasons. If I'm wrong about the demographic of FH, then I'm wrong. Its still an interesting convo. Whats funnier is that you are arguing with yourself on alot of this shit.

[KookedKrack]

'cism filed.

[The Original MrF...]

Do I deny there was racism in Rocky? Yes. Racism is defined as thinking that one race is inherently superior to another.

I'm sorry, I knew there was more to the definition, but I was too lazy to go look. Well, I got unlazy because of the direction of the conversation...


From dictionary.com just to set it straight


Racism - 3 dictionary results
rac⋅ism  /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
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–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


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[Snoop]

Forget the fact that we have a black president, the world's most famous golfer ever, and Floyd fucking Gayweather doing a million fucking plus in pay-per-views, 'cause the white man is still somehow holding the black man down. I mean, if the white man weren't working so hard at it, Tiger Woods would probably be even blacker, and more succesful, and Floyd Mayweather would've done a zillion pay-per-view buys, no matter how big of a jack-ass he is. And Obama would be elected emperor for life.

Goddamn the white man, does his power know no bounds?

Judging the social condition of a community of people based on the famous and successful INDIVIDUALS, is a horrible method of measuring the state of a race of people as a COMMUNITY. Racism isn't as bad as it was back in the day, but that doesn't mean opportunity is equal for everyone simply because there are a few successful token people of color.

[BGv2.0]

Judging the social condition of a community of people based on the famous and successful INDIVIDUALS, is a horrible method of measuring the state of a race of people as a COMMUNITY. Racism isn't as bad as it was back in the day, but that doesn't mean opportunity is equal for everyone simply because there are a few successful token people of color.

For sure a person cannot say that racism is dead....due to our current President.....BUT....it does show that an individual from that group of people can become the leader of the United States if they stay focused, dedicate themselves to education and politics and work hard at that goal.