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mgrover
post Nov 28 2011, 05:27 PM
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i wouldnt call it doubt, its not hate directed at mayweather, if i was being generous id call it a draw but it was a win by castillo i wouldnt go as far as robbery but he simply won that, maybe its all and act, but if you play a character long enough its easy to become him
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post Nov 28 2011, 06:29 PM
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Man enough with all the who beat who u can't beat me talk!!!!
They should do a face-off and make these fools sit across
From each other and sign the dotted line. Oh and slipping rat poison in
Arums coffee might help!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I'm just saying lol!!!
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post Nov 28 2011, 07:49 PM
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MaxPayne if your so confident that Floyd won please watch these videos of the fight broken down and tell me now how he won



watch all the parts, its pretty much a slo motion replay

also just ignore the title

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post Nov 28 2011, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 28 2011, 07:49 PM) *
MaxPayne if your so confident that Floyd won please watch these videos of the fight broken down and tell me now how he won



watch all the parts, its pretty much a slo motion replay

also just ignore the title


Yes, I've actually seen this as well, in addition to watching the fight so many times. I have a good eye, and I'd be the first person to tell you that Floyd missed a lot of shots; something that can happen when your lead hand is basically dead weight and you have no jab.

What's funny is that even in Blitz's Deception series, you still see enough clean long range jabs to the body, close uppercuts and right hands landing for it to be clear that Floyd is landing scoring punches. Castillo keeps trying to bull Floyd and a ton of his shots are simply not scoring punches. Judges exist for a reason. Scoring exists for a reason. This isn't the days of 45 round fights, where someone would simply get outlasted.

Grover, I'm not going to try and convince you regarding who won the fight. You're entitled to your opinion and I can respect that. I personally simply think that Mayweather did well enough to get the decision. Did he miss punches ? Yes. Was Compubox misleading for this fight ? Yes.

It's easy to ignore the fact that people were so incensed because it was actually a close and scrappy contest, as opposed to the usual Floyd show, where an opponent gets battered and given a boxing lesson. If it's any consolation, Floyd won another closer decision over Castillo 2 fights later, while in reality, he won that second fight by several rounds.
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post Nov 28 2011, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Nov 28 2011, 07:49 PM) *
MaxPayne if your so confident that Floyd won please watch these videos of the fight broken down and tell me now how he won



watch all the parts, its pretty much a slo motion replay

also just ignore the title


You fail to mention that Floyd had an injury that fight and still pulled out a close decision and he gave Castillo a rematch 6 month after the first fight. It is bullshit that people keep saying Floyd lost this fight. It was a close fight and a good one. Let it go.
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post Nov 28 2011, 10:39 PM
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Ha! Its funny how folks can bring up only one of Mayweather's fights where he didn't look his best (besides the Hernandez fight), but Pacquiao basically looked like shit 3 times against the same guy and excuses are made for him so quickly. Well, we didn't cut him much slack over here (lol), but as far as the rest of the world, he gets a pass for 3 bad outings against the same guy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Irony?
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post Nov 29 2011, 02:52 AM
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Mayweather-Castillo I was a close fight that Mayweather clearly won. Even in the late rounds he stood toe to toe and landed the more effective shots than Castillo. But that is history. Pac presents nothing in terms of style that would trouble mayweather. He will get beaten from pillar post-- boxed early and stopped late!!! honestly I have never seen anything in Pac that made him a threat to Floyd Mayweather stylistically and Marquez boxing his ass to death recently just affirms it.
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post Nov 29 2011, 04:22 AM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Nov 29 2011, 03:39 AM) *
Ha! Its funny how folks can bring up only one of Mayweather's fights where he didn't look his best (besides the Hernandez fight), but Pacquiao basically looked like shit 3 times against the same guy and excuses are made for him so quickly. Well, we didn't cut him much slack over here (lol), but as far as the rest of the world, he gets a pass for 3 bad outings against the same guy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Irony?




nobodies doing the same for pacman boxing blitz has broken down one of the first or second fights to show marquez winning.

if theres judges that score it am sure they had there reasons to score it in favour of pacman in those marquez fights.
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post Nov 29 2011, 10:11 AM
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I still remember lots of people saying that Ortiz was literally not landing anything on Floyd. But one guy decided to dissect the fight and showed that Ortiz was landing significant shots. Then people, knowing they got owned, decided to divert the issues by saying Ortiz was still losing. Sure, but he was landing some good shots contrary to what some people were saying.

I understand that people are lazy enough not to do a punch by punch analysis. But that's exactly what needs to be done to settle the question of who really won. Real time scoring on TV is shit. For example, I thought round 12 of Pacquiao Marquez 3 was close. But when I tallied the punches landed by both men, fuck, Marquez landed almost nothing. That's how deceiving their clash of styles is.

Now, I think Floyd won the first fight. But after watching that video, I'd say Castillo won.
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post Nov 29 2011, 10:23 AM
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The problem is like this… the Castillo fight happened like what? Like 10 years ago or something? So basically Floyd back then was still improving and evolving. He wasn’t elite yet. He was good back then but as I said that fight happened like 10 years ago already. His style hasn’t fully matured yet at that point. Even so, he still won that fight.

This is one crucial factor that Floyd haters miss. They’re comparing something that happened 10 years ago.

It’s like saying your workmate at the office suck because he or she performed poorly during his elementary days in school. It doesn’t work that way. Because people change, people improve, people evolve in time. So a student may suck in elementary but improve and become better in high school, and become even better in collage. And so on.
The point is the Floyd 10 years ago was good but not as good as the current Floyd -- The focus being on the current Floyd that is what matters.

Pacquiao-Marquez III, however, was not 10 years ago or something, but it was just a couple of weeks ago. People were expecting (and it’s only right that they expect) that Manny (at this stage in time and at his current age) has already “fully evolved” as a fighter to whoop Marquez ass with ease. However, that was not the case. There is only one explanation… and that is Pacquiao is NOT elite.
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