[Guest_Fitz_*]

If you have addiction problems how is money gonna fix that? Sure you could get one on ones with Dr Phil or enter Horizons or something like that but the money alone will not fix that issue as it is in your head.

Only hard work & a willingness to accept your issues are the first place to start & even then there is no guarentees. I have seen people relapse after 10-15-20 years clean & sober. Unfortunately it is not cut & dried not by a long stretch.

Really poor analogy Spyder.

Yep, this is correct and I agree 100%.

I see what Spyder is saying, but money shouldn't play a factor on whether you feel sorry for someone or not. I don't like Pavlik, but I don't know what happens behind closed doors. He may be aware of his problems and trying to fix them, but guess what? These things aren't easy and people will relapse at times.

[Guest_Fitz_*]

Also, I'm not talking about purely on addictions, it goes with any psychological problems.

[STEVENSKI]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! STEVENSKI, you actually feel sorry for a fighter???? I'm totally shocked! What's with this new softer side of you?

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Lets just say I have mellowed in my old age. That & having walked several miles in similar shoes I have empathy for someone who is clearly suffering from their own demons.

Let me be straight KP has no one to blame but himself & the only person who can help KP is KP. It is unfortunate but that is how it is.....

Sorry but I don't have an addictive personality and have no sympathy for him. If he can't lick his problem he needs to sit out. I think him dying in the ring because he didn't prepare properly or him getting murdered because he can't control his drunken rage is something to feel bad for but this is no excuse. If he can't get off the bottle he has no business lacing up the gloves point blank.

I agree if he has a addiction problem the last place he should be is in a ring where total focus & peak performace is requisite for your own safety let alone winning.

[STEVENSKI]

I know this subject hits home with you, so don't think that I'm trying to belittle it...

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What you eluded to is exactly what Kelly Pavlik is missing...the willingness to put in the hard work. The dude has enough resources at his disposal to get WHATEVER help he needs to beat it...

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh or cruel, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for someone that won't even help themselves.

That is a great story & one Hamilton should take great pride in. As you said it took him 10 years & countless attempts to clean himself up & with Pavlik it may well be the same if he is lucky.

The guy has no business in the ring & I hope he does not enter it unless he is sober & his head is right.

I am glad there is concern shown to Pavlik, I wish the same would go for Roger and Floyd Sr who have struggled with drugs. But the same concern isn't shown for their fight with addiction.... I wonder why... Like Cornell West said Race Matters

I have said plenty about both Mayweathers over the years but I certainly do not want to see either of them relapse & destroy their lives. Roger seems more than capable of that without resorting to drugs.

As for your race card BS take that & stick it up your clacker boyo it has been played out one too many times.

Josh fucking Hamilton? not only did he relapse but dude can't even have more than a few dollars in his pocket, his wife wont allow him to. the temptation for him to fuck it all up is too great for him. this is a grown ass man making millions a year that can't have a credit card, have more than like $20 in his pocket and has to check in with his wife anytime he leaves the house.

Sound advice if he is in the early stages of recovery (ie less than 3-5 years).

[King Eugene]

I am glad there is concern shown to Pavlik, I wish the same would go for Roger and Floyd Sr who have struggled with drugs. But the same concern isn't shown for their fight with addiction.... I wonder why... Like Cornell West said Race Matters

What struggle is this you speak of?

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Also, I'm not talking about purely on addictions, it goes with any psychological problems.

What about the physical parts of addiction that's a big part of it too its not all mental when you are addicted to something I'm reading these post and they're forgetting about that part. That makes it hard to quit things you're addicted to as well if your body gets to tripping on you because it doesn't have something that makes people continue on things too until they get that proper help if it get to the point you're addicted to something it's serious all the way round and sometimes beyond control (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drag.gif)

[Guest_Fitz_*]

What about the physical parts of addiction that's a big part of it too its not all mental when you are addicted to something I'm reading these post and they're forgetting about that part. That makes it hard to quit things you're addicted to as well if your body gets to tripping on you because it doesn't have something that makes people continue on things too until they get that proper help if it get to the point you're addicted to something it's serious all the way round and sometimes beyond control (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drag.gif)

I said I am talking about all psychological problems. Depression for example isn't an addiction.

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I said I am talking about all psychological problems. Depression for example isn't an addiction.

With all the problems the physical Body comes into play too and is also a part of the problem.

[Guest_Fitz_*]

With all the problems the physical Body comes into play too and is also a part of the problem.

No, not always.

[JLUVBABY]

I know this subject hits home with you, so don't think that I'm trying to belittle it...

We have a Baseball player here in America, Josh Hamilton, with WORSE demons than you could imagine. He was the first pick of the 1997 draft, and a CAN'T MISS prospect. Seriously, the way the scounts talked about this guy...as a highschool student, he was the BEST player they had ever seen in HS or College.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/art...903/1/index.htm

Anyway, as soon as he left home he got involved in drugs, and had a DECADE long battle with them. The whole time, the team stuck with him...for TEN YEARS, the team kept getting him whatever help he needed to beat it. And just when it looked like he turned the corner, he'd disappear and relapse. It wasn't until he FINALLY decided to help himself that he pushed through.

Last year, he was named AL MVP.

Anyway, the only reason I brought that up was to illustrate one point...I'm happy for Josh. His performance at the 2008 Home Run Derby was one of the GREATEST comeback stories in the history of sports.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1550035/hope...hamilton_story/

What you eluded to is exactly what Kelly Pavlik is missing...the willingness to put in the hard work. The dude has enough resources at his disposal to get WHATEVER help he needs to beat it...

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh or cruel, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for someone that won't even help themselves.

i had never heard of this guy till Real SPorts with Bryant Gumball did a segment on him maybe a year or so ago... that cat is out of control man.. has all the talent in the world on the baseball field but his demons are heavy man... real heavy.... he is a damn sad story but very lucky his wife sticks it out with him like she does... that is a true love story right there cuzz i know a lot there are a lot of women that would have left a long time ago with half if not more or all his shit in tow...