[Guest_Fitz_*]

Better.

[Spyder]

On a serious note, and I know I made fun of him, but I think it's bullshit to suggest people with money shouldn't have problems. They are human, and money is money, it's not a solution.
Funnily enough, people with no money and in poorer countries usually don't have the mental issues/addicitions, generally live happier lives. It's mainly in the culture we live in that tend to have a bigger affect on people.

Not saying that people with money don't have problems, just that they have the means to fix them.

If your car breaks down, and you're broke...you ride the bus.
If your car breaks down, and you're rich...you buy another fucking car.

[STEVENSKI]

Not saying that people with money don't have problems, just that they have the means to fix them.

If your car breaks down, and you're broke...you ride the bus.
If your car breaks down, and you're rich...you buy another fucking car.

If you have addiction problems how is money gonna fix that? Sure you could get one on ones with Dr Phil or enter Horizons or something like that but the money alone will not fix that issue as it is in your head.

Only hard work & a willingness to accept your issues are the first place to start & even then there is no guarentees. I have seen people relapse after 10-15-20 years clean & sober. Unfortunately it is not cut & dried not by a long stretch.

Really poor analogy Spyder.

[thehype]

I hope you never suffer from any addiction in your life. It is not something where you have a choice about drinking if you are in active "action".

I may be the only person on here that actually feels sorry for this guy. Having suffered from my demons for many years I can only feel sorry for him & hope he can get the help he clearly needs.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! STEVENSKI, you actually feel sorry for a fighter???? I'm totally shocked! What's with this new softer side of you?

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[Box in Hand]

I hope you never suffer from any addiction in your life. It is not something where you have a choice about drinking if you are in active "action".

I may be the only person on here that actually feels sorry for this guy. Having suffered from my demons for many years I can only feel sorry for him & hope he can get the help he clearly needs.

Sorry but I don't have an addictive personality and have no sympathy for him. If he can't lick his problem he needs to sit out. I think him dying in the ring because he didn't prepare properly or him getting murdered because he can't control his drunken rage is something to feel bad for but this is no excuse. If he can't get off the bottle he has no business lacing up the gloves point blank.

[Box in Hand]

The man is RICH. He can afford to get whatever help he needs, and has ONE less worry in life. I most CERTAINLY do not feel bad for him.

Now if he was broke, never had a chance, had a world of debt, and was STRUGGLING to provide for his family...I would definitely wish that he could catch a break...but this guy had the World Championship and enough money to never have to worry about that again.

At some point, as a MAN, you have to handle your buisness and do whatever it takes...this guy has ALL of the opportunity to do that...he just doesn't.

Pitying him does nothing...he's no charity case.

Well said!

[Spyder]

If you have addiction problems how is money gonna fix that? Sure you could get one on ones with Dr Phil or enter Horizons or something like that but the money alone will not fix that issue as it is in your head.

Only hard work & a willingness to accept your issues are the first place to start & even then there is no guarentees. I have seen people relapse after 10-15-20 years clean & sober. Unfortunately it is not cut & dried not by a long stretch.

Really poor analogy Spyder.

I know this subject hits home with you, so don't think that I'm trying to belittle it...

We have a Baseball player here in America, Josh Hamilton, with WORSE demons than you could imagine. He was the first pick of the 1997 draft, and a CAN'T MISS prospect. Seriously, the way the scounts talked about this guy...as a highschool student, he was the BEST player they had ever seen in HS or College.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/art...903/1/index.htm

Anyway, as soon as he left home he got involved in drugs, and had a DECADE long battle with them. The whole time, the team stuck with him...for TEN YEARS, the team kept getting him whatever help he needed to beat it. And just when it looked like he turned the corner, he'd disappear and relapse. It wasn't until he FINALLY decided to help himself that he pushed through.

Last year, he was named AL MVP.

Anyway, the only reason I brought that up was to illustrate one point...I'm happy for Josh. His performance at the 2008 Home Run Derby was one of the GREATEST comeback stories in the history of sports.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1550035/hope...hamilton_story/

What you eluded to is exactly what Kelly Pavlik is missing...the willingness to put in the hard work. The dude has enough resources at his disposal to get WHATEVER help he needs to beat it...

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh or cruel, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for someone that won't even help themselves.

This post has been edited by Spyder: Jul 12 2011, 09:47 PM

[Allmenjoi8]

I am glad there is concern shown to Pavlik, I wish the same would go for Roger and Floyd Sr who have struggled with drugs. But the same concern isn't shown for their fight with addiction.... I wonder why... Like Cornell West said Race Matters

[Spyder]

I am glad there is concern shown to Pavlik, I wish the same would go for Roger and Floyd Sr who have struggled with drugs. But the same concern isn't shown for their fight with addiction.... I wonder why... Like Cornell West said Race Matters

NOPE. I feel the same lack of pity for them too.

[gravytrain]

Josh fucking Hamilton? not only did he relapse but dude can't even have more than a few dollars in his pocket, his wife wont allow him to. the temptation for him to fuck it all up is too great for him. this is a grown ass man making millions a year that can't have a credit card, have more than like $20 in his pocket and has to check in with his wife anytime he leaves the house.

i can't really sit around saying poor Pavlik but i understand that it's probably a lot harder to get over drugs and alcohol than i could imagine. i think the real question is where his career would be if it weren't for the alcohol.