[Cshel86]

Im still curious as to know how people would act if Manny and his team wanted Floyd to "take the test" because they believed that he was on something...being the fact that he is still winning fights. What if Floyd never spoke up about the testing after Pac's team requested it, and Team Mayweather were oh so anxious to speak up for him and say that they aren't gonna do it...or they need a cut-off date? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

[MaxPayne]

In one of his USTREAM videos he said that Manny was "on those power pellets", and as I said before, we all know what that means. Everyone knows that in the Pacman game the power pellets allowed Pacman to eat the ghosts, which normally would have been too strong for him.

So him saying "Pacman is on those power pellets" it's very clear what he's saying.

I agree that the vast majority of the slander has come from Roger and Floyd Sr., but Floyd is to blame as well. And if he truly runs his team like he says, then he could easily go to both of them and tell them to shut up because they're fucking up his money. But he's too proud to do that, and so he continues to skirt that line, occasionally going over it, in an act of defiance in the face of the lawsuit.

Yes, I can see exactly how references to a video game power-up can be equated to steroids. It can be argued in very preliminary hearings that that could have been a reference to anything. Once again, if it ever sees the light of day, the case will get thrown out of court.

[MaxPayne]

I said the exact same thing as to why Manny taking the test would not satisfy anyone. They would just point to Marion Jones and others who went their entire olympic career getting the exact testing that Floyd is demanding (only year round) and passed every one of them. The only reason they got found out is because someone ratted them out later on, or they came clean on their own.

So therefore, even if Manny passes the tests, Floyd's already done his part to put all that doubt in people's mind, so that the natural response from them would be "well, people have cheated the tests before, I think he's still on something."

Marion Jones failed a test for EPO, an energy inducer, back in 2006. Also, growth hormones until recent years have been very difficult to test for, especially some of the more exotic designer steroids that are made to elude testing. We've made a lot of advances in testing and even if the net doesn't catch everything, it can serve as an impediment for the most basic drugs.

[MaxPayne]

Im still curious as to know how people would act if Manny and his team wanted Floyd to "take the test" because they believed that he was on something...being the fact that he is still winning fights. What if Floyd never spoke up about the testing after Pac's team requested it, and Team Mayweather were oh so anxious to speak up for him and say that they aren't gonna do it...or they need a cut-off date? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

That's very true. What I don't understand is this:

Floyd Mayweather is well established as a better revenue generator than Manny (numbers don't lie), and yet, he has seemingly agreed to a 50-50 split.

Manny Pacquiao was also allowed to choose the ring size, the gloves (he wants 8 oz.) and also being able to walk in second.

On top of all of this, Mayweather agreed to a $10 MM per pound penalty in the event that he would not be able to make weight for the fight.

That's effectively 5 clauses that the Mayweather camp freely agreed to, even if at least 3 of them could easily have gone in Floyd's favor.

So Mayweather walks in with a simple stipulation in exchange for these 5 negotiations points, that he wants Olympic style random blood and urine testing conducted by USADA, for the fight.

Pacquiao balks and the talks break down.

You hear some garbled message from them about religious beliefs, pre-fight superstitions and fear of needles. This coming from a guy with multiple tattoos. Right.

Whatever you say man.

Floyd put it best in that interview with Ben. "These boys don't want to fight, because after he takes that loss, it's over for him."

[Cshel86]

Yeah...at this point, all I can do is chalk it up as Team Pacquiao and Arum doing all of the talking, bumping heads, and running in circles...and Im pretty sure Pac has nothing to do with it. The lawsuit is useless in my opinion, and Floyd and Manny alone are slowly killing the sport of boxing. Of course, they're names alone keep it going, but its making fans either Pro-Mayweather or Pro-Pacquiao, and its sickening as hell.

Man, you would be amazed at how many people I've almost seen come to blows while debating then arguing about these two...and half of those folks hardly watch boxing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/no2.gif) The subject of these two needs to be strictly prohibited...just like religion, politics, salary, and sexual orientation (to name a few) are prohibited in the workplace.

[Plah]

That's very true. What I don't understand is this:

Floyd Mayweather is well established as a better revenue generator than Manny (numbers don't lie), and yet, he has seemingly agreed to a 50-50 split.

Manny Pacquiao was also allowed to choose the ring size, the gloves (he wants 8 oz.) and also being able to walk in second.

On top of all of this, Mayweather agreed to a $10 MM per pound penalty in the event that he would not be able to make weight for the fight.

That's effectively 5 clauses that the Mayweather camp freely agreed to, even if at least 3 of them could easily have gone in Floyd's favor.

So Mayweather walks in with a simple stipulation in exchange for these 5 negotiations points, that he wants Olympic style random blood and urine testing conducted by USADA, for the fight.

Pacquiao balks and the talks break down.

You hear some garbled message from them about religious beliefs, pre-fight superstitions and fear of needles. This coming from a guy with multiple tattoos. Right.

Whatever you say man.

Floyd put it best in that interview with Ben. "These boys don't want to fight, because after he takes that loss, it's over for him."

+1

[MaxPayne]

Yeah...at this point, all I can do is chalk it up as Team Pacquiao and Arum doing all of the talking, bumping heads, and running in circles...and Im pretty sure Pac has nothing to do with it. The lawsuit is useless in my opinion, and Floyd and Manny alone are slowly killing the sport of boxing. Of course, they're names alone keep it going, but its making fans either Pro-Mayweather or Pro-Pacquiao, and its sickening as hell.

Man, you would be amazed at how many people I've almost seen come to blows while debating then arguing about these two...and half of those folks hardly watch boxing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/no2.gif) The subject of these two needs to be strictly prohibited...just like religion, politics, salary, and sexual orientation (to name a few) are prohibited in the workplace.

I agree. Manny Pacquiao isn't the one really calling shots. It's amazing just how much influence Arum and by extension, Koncz, that steaming pile of shit, have over Pacman. Sort of a tragedy when you really think about it. Arum doesn't want to be dictated to about anything from Al Haymon and Floyd. He'll be damned if he loses his primary asset by having him get soundly beaten at this stage by Mayweather. Not when there's money to be made against guys with little to no chance like a faded Marquez, a limited Bradley and other guys like Brandon Rios. All fighters in-house or non Golden Boy = more money for Filthy Arum.

[Allmenjoi8]

Thanks for letting me know that I don't follow politics or entertainment. I was under the mistaken impression that I actually DO follow that shit a lot.

Just because a lot of people don't go the courts route, doesn't mean anything. Floyd did something that called into question Manny's entire career. Taking a test does not change that. All that does is say that you weren't on anything during that testing.

Also, the olympic style drug testing is not perfect. How many athletes have gotten busted AFTER the fact, while testing clean for years? How many olympians have come clean years after they retired saying they doped during their careers, and yet were never caught by the drug tests?

So I'll tell you exactly what would have happened if Manny took the tests at the first suggestion. When/if he passed it, and beat Floyd, you would have heard all the calls of "well, look at Marion Jones" who came clean years later but beat all the tests. There would be people talking about how he had something that was undetectable, or he cycled off in time and was still able to have the benefits.

I base that on just listening to all the people who speak in a sense of absolute that Manny is guilty and come up with all these things like "the Phillipines have the best shit" and bullets bounce off the soldiers, and what not that Floyd Sr. has run with.

And if he lost, then it'd be like "Well, he finally couldn't take anything and look at what happened."

He was in a no win situation there. I'm glad he filed a lawsuit. There has to be limitations when you go that direction of intentionally damaging someone's reputation.

There's a line between sharing your opinion and spreading false and malicious lies for which you have ZERO proof only conjecture and hypothesis.

I never said that Pac was guilty. But the way he is acting isn't helping his cause either. President Obama when he was accused of not being an American citizen he did not take the Birthers movement to court. And because of their inference that he was not a citizen actually caused a lot of issues, he even lost popularity points as a result. You know what the Pres did? He shut those claims way down when he showed his long form and short form of his birth certificate. That is what you do when someone accuses you of something. You prove them wrong. Not come up with silly excuses. This is boxing people say slanderous things on a regular. It makes him look bad.

[Cshel86]

I never said that Pac was guilty. But the way he is acting isn't helping his cause either. President Obama when he was accused of not being an American citizen he did not take the Birthers movement to court. And because of their inference that he was not a citizen actually caused a lot of issues, he even lost popularity points as a result. You know what the Pres did? He shut those claims way down when he showed his long form and short form of his birth certificate. That is what you do when someone accuses you of something. You prove them wrong. Not come up with silly excuses. This is boxing people say slanderous things on a regular. It makes him look bad.

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[Allmenjoi8]

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And you know this...Shells!