[D-MARV]

The early word around here is that if Kirkland can capture the belt from Dzinziruk, then we WILL have a light Middleweight SUPERFIGHT with Willaims Vs Kirkland. I can't post the source yet, but I iwll when I can.

[Big Slim Sweet]

Can he take a fight at 147 again? Probably but I don't see him staying there.

I'm sure he could go back to 147 for a fight or two if he wanted, but it won't be worth his time. Realistically the top welters aren't going to go near him, and I can't say I blame them.

[JD]

But how can you rank someone above him that he beat. PBF is the far better fighter than Williams but if Williams beats him how could anyone rank PBF above him. That's why I say Williams has a case for P4P cause he can come down and smash Manny and according to him he is more than willing to.

Manny doesn't belong at 147, and fighting Williams would be silly.

I would rank Marquez above CLottey on a pound for pound basis because he is a better fighter - regardless if Clottey were to beat him at 147 or not. Clottey would rank higher at the weight, but not in the mythical discussion, simply because Marquez is so much smaller.

If Floyd went up to 160 and lost to Felix Sturm, would Sturm be a better fighter P4P? Of course not. Size will have an impact in actual results sometimes...it's just the way it is.

[Sugar Q]

Bad argument dude. For all the shit Mayweather gets no one disputed him being p4p #1. Pac had reached #2 on most lists and got the title when Floyd quit.

Cool Slim but what do we do when Hatton beats Pacquiao? LOL. I think Hattons gonna take him.

[Sugar Q]

Manny doesn't belong at 147, and fighting Williams would be silly.

I would rank Marquez above CLottey on a pound for pound basis because he is a better fighter - regardless if Clottey were to beat him at 147 or not. Clottey would rank higher at the weight, but not in the mythical discussion, simply because Marquez is so much smaller.

If Floyd went up to 160 and lost to Felix Sturm, would Sturm be a better fighter P4P? Of course not.

True but Sturm's not on the list. I'm not saying Clottey would be P4P but you couldn't rank Marquez there if he lost to Clottey especially if Marquez was soundly beaten. Marquez would still be an all time great he just wouldnt be a P4P best amongst today's fighters without Clottey being on that list as long as Clottey is still winning.

This post has been edited by Sugar Q: Apr 12 2009, 12:06 PM

[JD]

True but Sturm's not on the list. I'm not saying Clottey would be P4P but you couldn't rank Marquez there if he lost to Clottey especially if Marquez was soundly beaten.

But it isn't really relevant who is or isn't on the list because this is straight hypothetical.

I mean, I don't know anyone who thinks Clottey is better P4P than Marquez...and even if they did fight at 147 and Marquez lost, it would not change that because of the size disaprity. Take Hopkins as an example, and his desire to fight Maskaev at Heavy for a belt. Suppose Maskaev caught him and stopped him...same deal, no one in their right mind would consider Maskaev a P4P player and above Hopkins, regardless of the fact that he won.

[Sugar Q]

But it isn't really relevant who is or isn't on the list because this is straight hypothetical.

I mean, I don't know anyone who thinks Clottey is better P4P than Marquez...and even if they did fight at 147 and Marquez lost, it would not change that because of the size disaprity. Take Hopkins as an example, and his desire to fight Maskaev at Heavy for a belt. Suppose Maskaev caught him and stopped him...same deal, no one in their right mind would consider Maskaev a P4P player and above Hopkins, regardless of the fact that he won.

True but Hopkins would have to redeem that lost somehow. Don't think he would be on many P4P list after getting stopped.

This post has been edited by Sugar Q: Apr 12 2009, 12:22 PM

[salvador]

No...he isn't at killing himself at all, but I really cannot think of one thing Paul Williams does better than Floyd Mayweather. He is just so much bigger. He throws a ton of punches...he has great stamina, but P4P I do not think he really compares to Floyd and his skill set. At 160, I don't think Williams beats Pavlik OR Abraham, but I know for damn sure he'd be willing to try.

I mean, if Juan Manuel Marquez fought Joshua Clottey at welterweight he would lose soundly - but it doesn't mean I think Clottey is better than him on a P4P basis.

So it's just a matter of a definition. I believe p4p is about who is the most formidable opponent p4p and you think it's about athleticism. Maybe Floyd's speed is as unfair a natural advantage as Williams' size/stamina/chin.

Floyd's obviously the most talented guy in the sport right now, but Williams is more formidable p4p, so I'd take Williams.

[Sugar Q]

So it's just a matter of a definition. I believe p4p is about who is the most formidable opponent p4p and you think it's about athleticism. Maybe Floyd's speed is as unfair a natural advantage as Williams' size/stamina/chin.

Floyd's obviously the most talented guy in the sport right now, but Williams is more formidable p4p, so I'd take Williams.

I agree with my man Sal on this one :-)

[King Eugene]

Why is it that after every big fight people are ready to claim the winner as the best things since pussy.

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