[EpTXCHAMP]

Judah was the betting favourite for some unknown reason in that fight. Plenty of people made money exploiting that mistake. Tszty chose to fight his mandatories so he could remain undisputed & Tackie had earnt his shot & unlike Judah actually lasted the duration of the fight. As for him being a man of principal, humility & dignity you act like there is something wrong with that. Would it be better if he was a outright cheat like Margarito?

As for that being the most stunned Tszyu has ever been I strongly suggest you do a little research on the subject before you come across lokking like a bigger dick than you already do. Try watching the Phillips fight for a start......

Vegas and all betting sites etc usually will favorite the younger, faster fighter especially if he has plenty of buzz behind him as someone mentioned we all heard the "pernell with power talk" that's why he was favorite IMO. I'm sure more people bet on zab but hey like you said if you beat on Kostya you probably made some good money.

I had no problem with him making his manditories because back then being undisputed meant alot more than it does today. However he didnt always fight for the undisputed his rematch with mitchell was not for all the titles secondly I think that rematch was unecessary due to the fact that he handled him easisly the first time and did the same in the rematch. It had a Dawson/Tarver II feeling

I think phillips "hurt" Kostya more, however he didnt stun Kostya like zab did with a single shot ( the uppercut in the 1st). Maybe overall volume of punches but that' a difference of opinions so depends how you look at it. I dont consider a fighter stunned if he gets ko'd with a volume of punches. plus that was kostya with legs that have gone through 10 rds. zab made kostya legs shake when they were fresh in the first. However not as bad as kostya made zabs shake the next round lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/haha.gif)

This post has been edited by EpTXCHAMP: Nov 22 2009, 11:44 PM

[Snoop]

I haven't really read this thread but I am utterly shocked that it has gone all the way to 7 pages. The first thought I have when I hear "Tsyzu and Judah rematch" is "why?"

[STEVENSKI]

I had no problem with him making his manditories because back then being undisputed meant alot more than it does today. However he didnt always fight for the undisputed his rematch with mitchell was not for all the titles secondly I think that rematch was unecessary due to the fact that he handled him easisly the first time and did the same in the rematch. It had a Dawson/Tarver II feeling

The reason his fight with Mitchell was not for all the titles was because Tszyu had been stripped due to his time out with injury & from memory Mitchell was the #1 contender at the time. Many people picked Mitchell to win that fight & win it easy.

[STEVENSKI]

I know this because my parents are from Chile and were born there. They moved here, and I know for a fact that they wouldn't like it either if people told them they weren't Australian. They are Australian/Chileans.

That isthe difference between Australia & America. In the US it is Chilean/American which promotes division. It gives the impression that you are Whatever first & American second.

One more thing, seriously why are people so adamant about a rematch? Did anyone watch the fight? Tszyu literally made Judah dance when he didn't want to. Could you imagine being out and someone asking you to do a dance, and you didn't want to, but in the end you did and was forced? How humiliating would that be? Well that's what Tszyu did to Judah, except he didn't even give him an option. That's how bad Tszyu humiliated him.

OMFG! That is classic Fitz!

[Mean Mister Must...]

P Whitaker w/ Power??? LMAO!

I remember that too. Most of the fire of that comparison came from Max Kellerman back when he used too co-host the studio segments of FNF. After he lost to Tzsyu people were saying he would win the rematch based on how the 1st one had gone. Of course those who based a future victory for Judah completely overlooked the 2nd round which he spent moving around the ring, landing nothing significant. After that he was ko'd.

I also remember how some people were arguing that if he would have been allowed to continue after the the KD he would have won the fight. I think looking back now, we know that would have been unlikely. You saw how he reacted after ge got stunned against Baldomir, he went into survival mode. If anything I think Tzsyu would have eventually caught him again like he did with Mitchell in the rematch. That was the thing with Tzsyu, you had a better chance of making it to the distance by fighting in close than you did if you gave him the range to fire that big right hand.

I also want to say something regarding "quitting". We pay these guys to see them fight. We expect them to fight the best out there and not offer BS excuses about why they avoid certain fighters while at the same time they go on to fight lesser competition. That being said, no amount of money that we could ever pay could be enough to make them give up their lives. Many writers have explored how boxing fans are unlike anyother sports fan. Most fans expect their fighters to be willing to give up their lives in order to win. Those fans who call fighters who quit names like "loser" or worse, are without a doubt the lowest of the low. They are the type of fans who hate it when a guy boxes, boo when no one is bleeding and most importantly; have never actually been in the ring themselves. I think these type of people should be ignored until they realize that fighters feel pain too and have limits. Boxers are tougher than most of us will ever dream of being which makes it more amazing how there are guys who are beyond tough. Guys like Gatti and Corrales. Guys who would never dream of quitting. However, we should not kid ourselves. Most of those guys were not right in the head.

I also wanted to comment, regarding these low class of fans, how they call fighters who quit, names like "loser" but then when a fighter dies in the ring they suddenly stop talking because the event has shaken them up to see reality. One of the sad parts is though, that after some months pass after the fighter's death, these fans start talking shit all over again.

[STEVENSKI]

I also wanted to comment, regarding these low class of fans, how they call fighters who quit, names like "loser" but then when a fighter dies in the ring they suddenly stop talking because the event has shaken them up to see reality. One of the sad parts is though, that after some months pass after the fighter's death, these fans start talking shit all over again.

I agree it. I don't call fighters quitters unless they blatantly quit to get a TD type of deal & are in no real danger. I for one did not blame Golota when he quit against Tyson as clearly domething was wrong. His corner were disgraceful in telling him to go out & fight. When the MRI or Xrays or whatever comes back he has a broken eye socket/cheekbone. Fighters & trainers know best & sending a fighter out there so they go out on their shield can have serious long term impacts.

That said I still want to see Floyd seriously busted up in the ring.

[Mean Mister Must...]

I agree it. I don't call fighters quitters unless they blatantly quit to get a TD type of deal & are in no real danger. I for one did not blame Golota when he quit against Tyson as clearly domething was wrong. His corner were disgraceful in telling him to go out & fight. When the MRI or Xrays or whatever comes back he has a broken eye socket/cheekbone. Fighters & trainers know best & sending a fighter out there so they go out on their shield can have serious long term impacts.

That said I still want to see Floyd seriously busted up in the ring.

LOL

[alaganza]

I also want to say something regarding "quitting". We pay these guys to see them fight. We expect them to fight the best out there and not offer BS excuses about why they avoid certain fighters while at the same time they go on to fight lesser competition. That being said, no amount of money that we could ever pay could be enough to make them give up their lives. Many writers have explored how boxing fans are unlike anyother sports fan. Most fans expect their fighters to be willing to give up their lives in order to win. Those fans who call fighters who quit names like "loser" or worse, are without a doubt the lowest of the low. They are the type of fans who hate it when a guy boxes, boo when no one is bleeding and most importantly; have never actually been in the ring themselves. I think these type of people should be ignored until they realize that fighters feel pain too and have limits. Boxers are tougher than most of us will ever dream of being which makes it more amazing how there are guys who are beyond tough. Guys like Gatti and Corrales. Guys who would never dream of quitting. However, we should not kid ourselves. Most of those guys were not right in the head.

I also wanted to comment, regarding these low class of fans, how they call fighters who quit, names like "loser" but then when a fighter dies in the ring they suddenly stop talking because the event has shaken them up to see reality. One of the sad parts is though, that after some months pass after the fighter's death, these fans start talking shit all over again.

This could really be a different topic but it's something I have brought up before with friends. As a fan you never want to see your fighter quit. But as a man you gotta understand. A title belt and a little fame is not worth dying for. And for anyone, especially guys that have never stepped in the ring, to accuse someone of being a coward, loser, ect. is ridiculous.

[STEVENSKI]

LOL

Well it is true. I would love to see Floyd on the ropes taking punch after punch with both his eyes swollen shut & bleeding. Maybe I am just a bad person though?

[EpTXCHAMP]

The reason his fight with Mitchell was not for all the titles was because Tszyu had been stripped due to his time out with injury & from memory Mitchell was the #1 contender at the time. Many people picked Mitchell to win that fight & win it easy.

huh kostya handled him easy in their first fight??? I'm sorry but most people with any boxing knowledge did not favor Mitchell. I actually remember now zab was like guest commentator that fight and was even clowning on Mitchell getting busted and even crying lol after the fight bout his knee or something anyone else remember this??