[Kratza]

One thing i believe is that Guillermo Rigondeaux wont get the chances he deserves, He'll be the most ducked fighter around that division

[checkleft]

skip bayless...that guy defines not knowing shit about boxing

He defines not knowing shit about anything. I swear I pop a chubby anytime someone completely owns him on tv like when jalen rose or mark cuban did it. The guy doesn't even watch boxing by his own admittance, how the hell can ESPN even let this guy comment on boxing. It's emberrasing to see the type of guys they have analyzing boxing

[daprofessor]

One thing i believe is that Guillermo Rigondeaux wont get the chances he deserves, He'll be the most ducked fighter around that division

i get the same feeling. anytime arum signs black fighters....it's usually to protect his interests.

rigondeaux should be getting more exposure...instead, he's buried on most of these cards while donaire is headlining...or is the co-feature.

[boxingloner]

i get the same feeling. anytime arum signs black fighters....it's usually to protect his interests.

rigondeaux should be getting more exposure...instead, he's buried on most of these cards while donaire is headlining...or is the co-feature.

The problem with Rigo, the dude has no following so of course he will always get he short end of the stick. In boxing it not about the more talent you have the more money you make, its about the fighters who can put the butts in the seats will get the most regardless if another person has more talent. Rigo only has a handfull of fights and the dude is a Cuban born so of course he wont be making the money. Even if he starts knocking off some of these top guys his paycheck still wont grow that significantly and he still will be on other fighters undercards. The only place in armerica that Rigo can headline is in Miami where he can try and draw from the Cuban people there and thats only after knocking these top guys off. Thats boxing reality

For Donaire, he is following in the footstep of a legend, so his popularity and fanbase is already there.

[BrutUalBK]

I like Russell, but the guy has no business on anybody's list right about now. If you have him on your list, then it's obvious that you're not as big a boxing fan as you say you are. No way this guy should be in anybody's top 10 when he hasn't even fought a top 10 fighter.

If you care to argue your point, then it's obvious that HBO is educating you on boxing right about now, which is blasphemy. As for Rigondeaux, I like him too and Im sure most of the guys on the list want no parts of him, but beating Kennedy and Ramos doesn't mean he should be at the top of the list just yet. Maybe around 3 or 4, but not #1 just yet.

Im sure Mares would cry a river over that #1 spot since he won that tournament last year (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I like Russell a lot too but he still has to beat a guy like Moreno to be on that list, truth being told though Donaire and nearly most of them are avoiding Moreno like the plague because they know he's a tricky SP that will box their ears off.

[daprofessor]

The problem with Rigo, the dude has no following so of course he will always get he short end of the stick. In boxing it not about the more talent you have the more money you make, its about the fighters who can put the butts in the seats will get the most regardless if another person has more talent. Rigo only has a handfull of fights and the dude is a Cuban born so of course he wont be making the money. Even if he starts knocking off some of these top guys his paycheck still wont grow that significantly and he still will be on other fighters undercards. The only place in armerica that Rigo can headline is in Miami where he can try and draw from the Cuban people there and thats only after knocking these top guys off. Thats boxing reality

For Donaire, he is following in the footstep of a legend, so his popularity and fanbase is already there.

bullshit.

rigondeaux' last two fights were more exciting than pac's and donaires last six combined. this whole..."he's from cuba so he won't be a draw" and "they're from the philippines blah,blah,blah..." the PI didn't produce shit before pac. cuba has a rich history of boxing. it all comes down to the promoter. arum either doesn't know how or won't promote a black fighter unless it's someone like ray leonard. i guarantee....if and when rigondeaux fights the big names in the division...he's going to be a star.

[boxingloner]

bullshit.

rigondeaux' last two fights were more exciting than pac's and donaires last six combined. this whole..."he's from cuba so he won't be a draw" and "they're from the philippines blah,blah,blah..." the PI didn't produce shit before pac. cuba has a rich history of boxing. it all comes down to the promoter. arum either doesn't know how or won't promote a black fighter unless it's someone like ray leonard. i guarantee....if and when rigondeaux fights the big names in the division...he's going to be a star.

Dude, Rigos last two fights were against Club Fighters. Ok, he fought a guy in Rico Ramos who was a Belt Holder, and i emphise belt holder because in reality the dude is a fighter who is as green as they come. And Teon Kennedy, please the dude is a Phily club fighter nothing more. He better be more impressive against that kind of competition. IMO WV2 who Donaire fought last was better then both of those dudes.

Anyways come on now, if you are trying to compare Rigo's competition. His wins may mean more to you and exciting but damn dude consider who he fights. If he starts knocking off the top guys in the same fashion then we really have something. Also stop lumping Rigo in with Black fighters, like hes from America or something. Hes a guy From CUBA. IF he was from America he would have a leg up and be way more known, especially being a 2 time GOld medalist. Quit saying because he is Black he is not promoted right. His problem is he is from Cuba and has no following, period.

Was Casamayor making crazy money and some superstar fighter here in america? He had just as good a amatuer career coming out of Cuba? And he had a decorated Pro career?

[Col Reb]

I see Donaire and Rigondeaux as clearly the top two in the division. That would be a great fight.

[pesticid]

The problem with Rigo, the dude has no following so of course he will always get he short end of the stick. In boxing it not about the more talent you have the more money you make, its about the fighters who can put the butts in the seats will get the most regardless if another person has more talent. Rigo only has a handfull of fights and the dude is a Cuban born so of course he wont be making the money. Even if he starts knocking off some of these top guys his paycheck still wont grow that significantly and he still will be on other fighters undercards. The only place in armerica that Rigo can headline is in Miami where he can try and draw from the Cuban people there and thats only after knocking these top guys off. Thats boxing reality

For Donaire, he is following in the footstep of a legend, so his popularity and fanbase is already there.

I can't agree too much about the following part.

Rigo has to fight in Miami and you'll have 5 to 10,000 fans following him. Imagine Bute fighting in Florida do you think he'll get many fans there. I mean Floyd didn't have much following in the early going but in the long run skill gets recognized and skills pay the bills.

Marquez didn't get following at firts but his skills carried him and right now he is the biggest fighter out of Mexico, maybe Chavez and Canelo are better but they are yet to headline a pay per view.

It's Arum fukcing with the fighters. When he had Floyd, Floyd was nobody on the market. He has Rigo and Gamboa (not any more) and I might agree, Arum either doesn't like black fighters or can't promote them. Put Rigo and Gamboa on the same card every month in Miami and in one year they'll average 15,000 fans per fight.

I live in Toronto and we had Steve Molitor and he averaged 5,000 fans every fight. We're talking about Steve Molitor, decent fighter but nowhere near the class of Rigo and Gamboa.

[pesticid]

So in other words your friend sounds like a real asshole. Im sure your buddy knows a lot but prolly trying to talk to him about football is prolly like pulling teeth because he's a legend in his own mind. I guess everybody can't have the humble gene. Lol

Anyways what bugs the shit out of me is when you have these guys who say they have graced the boxing gym and used to box so that makes them a boxing expert. I've graced the gym for years but I'll tell you the truth there are tons more people that know more than me who have never boxed. The worse saying in boxing is the "you have never stepped in a ring so you don't know shit". That's got to be the most stupidest saying in boxing.

I agree with this statement and I'll give you my reasoning. Most people get the chance to play basketball, soccer, football, volleyball, hockey you name the sport. But not many people get to enter a ring with somebody trying to mess them up. There is a big difference!

So yeah when you have broadcasters questioning somebody's heart like Larry does and he's never been in the ring to be hammered for 3 minutes a round, of course I'll say he doesn't know what he's talking about. We have guys in boxing fighting through broken jaws, hands, ribs, feet, etc. and winning fights. Meanwhile we praise Jordan for winning the finals cause he played with the flue or Kobe cause he had a pinch nerved in his pink or worse baseball players who have all kind of minor injuries and go on the DL. Nobody questions the heart of these people or worse is voerblown like Jordan, Kurt Shcilling
s bloody sock and Bryant's pinky finger and everybody has played basketball and basedball. Yet boxing is in a whole stratosphere and we have guys like Lampley, Merchant and the rest of them telling them how a figher feels and what's going on. They don't know shit about boxing. They can call a fight, blow by blow, talk about the history but don't try to educate us what's up cause you don't know. I hate Atlas quite a bit but he knows a lot.