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> stop with the talk of nonito donaire being P4P, until he proves he's the best in his division
daprofessor
post Oct 15 2012, 06:15 PM
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i've always thought p4p talk was silly and just an excuse for certain fighters to avoid others, but lately, this shit is getting ridiculous. let me put this in perspective...when a guy like floyd dominates at 130 to 135 then moves up to win straps against quality opposition in the 140, 147 and 154 weight classes...ok, i'll listen to p4p talk. when a guy like pac fights 3 of the best fighters(jmm, em, barrera) in his division a total of ten times and comes out on top...yeah, i'll listen to p4p arguments on that one too! u want to be considered p4p one of the best in boxing...prove you are the best in your division. andre ward just fought in a tournament involving all the best at 168....and when the dust settled...he was the last man standing. he has proven to be the best in his division. i don't see anyone out there that would argue otherwise.

when a guy like donaire, who i think has the potential to be something special, chooses not to acknowledge the best in his division...and hasn't really proven to be the best in his division...that's where the p4p discussion needs to end. stop!!! i think agbeko, mares, moreno and rigondeaux all have something to say on the matter. i'm not saying he has to fight all of these guys....but at least beat 1 or 2. maybe a tournament is in order for 122 as well?

what say u?
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post Oct 15 2012, 06:19 PM
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Class is officially in fuckin' session! The Professor speaks! Thank you!

I'll give my take on this one momentarily. At the moment, there should just be a Top 5 P4P, though I really dont believe in the whole P4P fluff.
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post Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM
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This is a thread that I have made in my head a million times, thanks professor. I thought I was the only one who saw the light Haha.

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post Oct 15 2012, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Oct 15 2012, 07:22 PM) *
This is a thread that I have made in my head a million times, thanks professor. I thought I was the only one who saw the light Haha.


that's the thing i love about this board...i get an idea for a thread...someone else posts it when i forget. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM
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The big elephant in the room is, what division has Nonito even conquered? We can start there.

I mean the only names that he's fought was Darchinyan and Vasquez Jr. People started riding his sack after the Montiel KO, and Nishioka was so hesitant to the point that fans who didn't know him, will never know how good he really was.

That's the shit that bothers me, Donaire knocked Montiel back into his childhood years with a counter left hook, and people crowned him King. I still cant believe this P4P mess is still going on, with his name involved. I mean like the dude's personality, and he's a good fighter, but let's not go overboard here.

As I mentioned recently, he tried to jump ship from Top Rank a little over a year ago, and now Bob is making him pay for it. He's getting stuck in the ring with no name guys who are afraid to fight, but these guys are put in there to make him look good.

Guys who aren't afraid to go in there and crack his head, are being mentioned, but kept away from him. His opponents that are supposed to make him look good, are really hurting him. They're proving that with his high level of athleticism, he still cant break through solid defense.

They have this guy jumping all over the place looking like a fool...and some of them have managed to mess his face up with simple punches (jabs). So again, how in the heck is this dude considered P4P? He cant even stay in a division long enough to save his life.

People are actually saying that this dude doesn't have any competition, like he's a beast, but a guy with a solid jab that he works behind, and isn't afraid to force an exchange with Donaire...makes him look bad. I actually had more respect for Vasquez after the Donaire fight.
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post Oct 15 2012, 08:26 PM
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Nonito has p4p talent. He doesnt have a p4p resume yet. But he does have real boxing ability and the kind of power in both hands that makes him the most fierce at 122 IMO. I think Nonito cooks everybody at 122. Rigo is probably the stiffest opposition but Arum wont give Rigo that fight yet. Rigo just signed an 18 month extension and Arum will use a Nonito fight as bait to resign Rigo again in 18 months.
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post Oct 15 2012, 11:56 PM
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Thank you for posting this, i came on this site hoping someone actually had the same thoughts as me. I see great minds do think alike.

I hate it because i want to like nonito because he definitely does have skill, but i hate when i dont see him against anyone that even had a chance of winning. I know he wants to get his paper and his name up, but dammmm, i think it sounded pretty bitch about talking about rigondeaux after his fight with nishioka. I feel the problem is he must be trying to give the ILLUSION he's a top p4p without having any proof. I mean i know he knocked Montiel with that killer hook but all he seems to be concerned with now is tryna be sensational. And he should know that, i feel like hes tryna force it, trying too hard. He'll get checked against someone who can counter him with good defense and offense.

Its corny because he talks about how it wont sell but it would probably be his best fight and would end up being an instant classic. Fight of the year. but i see Rigo taking it, if nonito knew he could beat him he woulda been fought him and and took that easy W just like his last couple of fights. Nonito already gets hit too much, I cant see him lasting against Rigondeaux.
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post Oct 16 2012, 07:12 AM
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The problem with the boxing world, is that they are too quick to crown fighters or fights. As soon as they see a good fight, they come out of nowhere with the whole, "Oh damn man, uh uh, that was the Fight of the Year"...and the fuckin' fight may have taken place 2-3 months into the new year. Lol

I see it waaay too often on social networks, and I just want to tell them, "Relax man, I know that was probably the first fight that you've ever watched, but chill out". Then they start flying off the handle and throwing names in the hat for the person to fight...KNOWING (or in their case, not knowing) that boxing just doesn't serve up the best fights to fans.

Then they start crying about MMA being better than boxing, and boxing is dying, and so forth. The funny thing is, you ask them to name some fighters, and they can hardly name any. Im just ready for this stupid megafight to either happen, or for somebody to step forward and say that it aint happenin'. Bob did it once, shouldn't be a problem for him to do it again.

In the background of this megafight nonsense, we get shit like Donaire being at the Top of people's P4P list. Now he just wants to skip around divisions, TRY to look invincible against no-hopers, and weasel his way into a megafight...hasn't happened yet. Dude cant even stay in a division more than 9 months nowadays. Lol
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post Oct 16 2012, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE (leonthegee @ Oct 15 2012, 09:26 PM) *
Nonito has p4p talent. He doesnt have a p4p resume yet.


If I'm not mistaken, I think the "Gee" summed up the consensus here in 20 words or less. Spot on.
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post Oct 16 2012, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Oct 15 2012, 08:21 PM) *
The big elephant in the room is, what division has Nonito even conquered? We can start there.

I mean the only names that he's fought was Darchinyan and Vasquez Jr. People started riding his sack after the Montiel KO, and Nishioka was so hesitant to the point that fans who didn't know him, will never know how good he really was.

That's the shit that bothers me, Donaire knocked Montiel back into his childhood years with a counter left hook, and people crowned him King. I still cant believe this P4P mess is still going on, with his name involved. I mean like the dude's personality, and he's a good fighter, but let's not go overboard here.

As I mentioned recently, he tried to jump ship from Top Rank a little over a year ago, and now Bob is making him pay for it. He's getting stuck in the ring with no name guys who are afraid to fight, but these guys are put in there to make him look good.

Guys who aren't afraid to go in there and crack his head, are being mentioned, but kept away from him. His opponents that are supposed to make him look good, are really hurting him. They're proving that with his high level of athleticism, he still cant break through solid defense.

They have this guy jumping all over the place looking like a fool...and some of them have managed to mess his face up with simple punches (jabs). So again, how in the heck is this dude considered P4P? He cant even stay in a division long enough to save his life.

People are actually saying that this dude doesn't have any competition, like he's a beast, but a guy with a solid jab that he works behind, and isn't afraid to force an exchange with Donaire...makes him look bad. I actually had more respect for Vasquez after the Donaire fight.


i agree with almost everything in this post...except for the part about bob making him pay for it...i think bob is protecting him and looking to capitalize on the filipino fans with donaire.

toprank resigned rigondeaux with the promise that he'd get donaire in 3 fights...rigondeaux signed a 18 month extension. i'm not holding my breath on that happening. donaire posted some stuff saying he's willing to fight him if his name is on the contract. easy statement to make when u know your promoter has no intention of making that match.
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