[checkleft]

Which further reiterates my point...it isn't "Performance Enhancing". Dangerous? Yes. However, I can see it allows him to synthetically "make weight".

V V

A critically important point is being missed:

Diuretics are often used to mask the presence of PEDs.

+1

Idk how many times I've said the same thing before

also being able to fight a middleweight at a super middleweight/light heavy weight size sounds like its performance enhancing to me.

[Franchize]

I hope brandon rios isn't reading these, he might just find a solution to his problem.

Real talk, I don't even think Brandon is a 140 lb guy. I think he could just go right up to 147 lol I think it's only a matter of time before 140 is too hard for him to make. Is is me or is his body very Baby Bullish?

[bnoles4life]

V V


+1

Idk how many times I've said the same thing before

also being able to fight a middleweight at a super middleweight/light heavy weight size sounds like its performance enhancing to me.

Check, I'm tracking and conceded its usage as both dangerous and dubious. However, my only point is it isn't "performance enhancing" and one of WADA's initial reasons for for banning it, was due to potentially fatal risk should it be abused. However, like you have mentioned, it's used as a masking agent, further solidifying WADA's stance against it.

Now, if anyone thinks that's why BOXING, is banning it, you're crazy. Boxing is of the belief, diuretics enable guys to unfairly make weight, not so much the "PED" advantage. I mean, after all, boxing doesn't believe there is a "steroid or PED problem", right? LMBO!!!!

[MaxPayne]

Diuretics are absolutely Performance Enhancing Drugs.

Using these drugs, you're unnaturally cutting weight, which allows you to compete in lower weight divisions against smaller guys.

Ergo, you're taller, have more reach, more punch resilience (you're fucking 3 weight classes higher during the fight) and greater power.

It may not be "directly" enhancing your performance, like HGH or EPO does, but it most certainly allows for tacit and unfair advantages in a fight.

Then why have weight classes to begin with, if the miracle of modern day drugs allows light heavyweights to cut to middleweight ?

It's also a huge problem in MMA.

Anderson Silva fights at 185 lbs., but is known to walk around at AT LEAST 220 lbs.

You tell me how a 37 year old man cuts damn near 40 pounds during training camp naturally, at an age when it's increasingly difficult to lose weight.

Easy. It's not possible NATURALLY.

[flazi]

true.

power lifter!? u ever compete at venice beach?

yes a few years back.

[daprofessor]

yes a few years back.

nice!

[Cshel86]

Check, I'm tracking and conceded its usage as both dangerous and dubious. However, my only point is it isn't "performance enhancing" and one of WADA's initial reasons for for banning it, was due to potentially fatal risk should it be abused. However, like you have mentioned, it's used as a masking agent, further solidifying WADA's stance against it.

Now, if anyone thinks that's why BOXING, is banning it, you're crazy. Boxing is of the belief, diuretics enable guys to unfairly make weight, not so much the "PED" advantage. I mean, after all, boxing doesn't believe there is a "steroid or PED problem", right? LMBO!!!!

Diuretics are absolutely Performance Enhancing Drugs.

Using these drugs, you're unnaturally cutting weight, which allows you to compete in lower weight divisions against smaller guys.

Ergo, you're taller, have more reach, more punch resilience (you're fucking 3 weight classes higher during the fight) and greater power.

It may not be "directly" enhancing your performance, like HGH or EPO does, but it most certainly allows for tacit and unfair advantages in a fight.

Then why have weight classes to begin with, if the miracle of modern day drugs allows light heavyweights to cut to middleweight ?

It's also a huge problem in MMA.

Anderson Silva fights at 185 lbs., but is known to walk around at AT LEAST 220 lbs.

You tell me how a 37 year old man cuts damn near 40 pounds during training camp naturally, at an age when it's increasingly difficult to lose weight.

Easy. It's not possible NATURALLY.

Wow, good stuff guys! I cant help but to agree with both of your points. As Noles mentioned, boxing has this delusional and negligent grip on PEDs, and feels that "everyone behaves themselves" because they're professionals. This is the hurt business and guys know that they'll be forgotten about (or twice forgotten) if they lose a big (crossover or crossroads) fight...depending on their level of popularity coming into the fight.

It's also a known fact that this is a gladiator's sport, so appearing as if you cant compete in your own division (or higher), spells "fucked", and often pushes guys out of the picture. If you can cut weight and compete with (or bully) fighters and get paid to do it, then there's no need to fight at a reasonable weight and look shitty or get exposed for being such.

I dont really see the severity of them labeling it a PED, but if it masks it, then it's just as bad, I would suppose. It dilutes your urine, and since that's the only useless ass test that they perform, then it can indeed be looked at as something significantly illegal.

[bnoles4life]

Diuretics are absolutely Performance Enhancing Drugs.

It may not be "directly" enhancing your performance, like HGH or EPO does, but it most certainly allows for tacit and unfair advantages in a fight.

Then why have weight classes to begin with, if the miracle of modern day drugs allows light heavyweights to cut to middleweight ?

Sooooooo...we're saying the same thing, in this regard?

This post has been edited by bnoles4life: Jun 19 2012, 04:26 PM

[Cheesey1]

But it is PED enabling. Its not much different from those pills potheads in the Navy take before they get pissed test. The shit that makes you itch for like a week. Essentially, it isnt the bank robber but it drives the getaway vehicle.

From the analogies that you chose, one word comes to mind...gangsta!

Things will get cleaned up in boxing. It's slowly starting.

Developments like the allegations by that utter moron Larry Olubamiwo in the BoxRec forums, should help to continue to shine a spotlight on the issue. The extent of his doping was ridiculous. I feel sorry for his shrunken nuts.

This post has been edited by Cheesey1: Jun 21 2012, 11:55 AM

[Franchize]

I know you cant put too much stock in it but did anyone see the video of Chavez sparring Martirosyan? He was getting starched up!

Sorry, just realized the vid is old.

This post has been edited by Franchize: Jun 22 2012, 09:59 PM