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AZWildCat
post Feb 6 2014, 04:59 PM
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after his war with the ghost and his stoppage loss to karass he needs a dub bad. i wanna say take an easy fight but not Don Flamenco easy, he needs to show some improvement and personal identity in the ring. he cant afford another loss or his career is a done dolla. dont be surprised if he loses and ends up on the next lightweight season of TUF!



who's a good comeback fight for him?
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post Feb 6 2014, 05:34 PM
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maybe a fight with zab. not exactly easy, but given the way zab's been fighting lately, i think berto could impose his will and stop him from doing too much. andre's definitely got the chin to walk through anything judah throws, and zab doesnt exactly respond well to pressure. not necessarily an immediate comeback fight, but i think this is one in the near future that would give andre a solid test as well as some confidence if he pulls out the win. you are right about him having an identity crisis...he needs to give up the shoulder roll entirely IMO.

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post Feb 6 2014, 05:51 PM
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Either he fights Guerrero or Ortiz.
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post Feb 6 2014, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (ryustuh @ Feb 6 2014, 04:34 PM) *
maybe a fight with zab. not exactly easy, but given the way zab's been fighting lately, i think berto could impose his will and stop him from doing too much. andre's definitely got the chin to walk through anything judah throws, and zab doesnt exactly respond well to pressure. not necessarily an immediate comeback fight, but i think this is one in the near future that would give andre a solid test as well as some confidence if he pulls out the win. you are right about him having an identity crisis...he needs to give up the shoulder roll entirely IMO.


The way Berto falls into his opponents because of his bad balance, he's a sucker for Judah's lethal uppercut. This is a 50/50 fight. Berto needs a win not a potential KO again. I don't think he should tangle with Zab at this time
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post Feb 6 2014, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 6 2014, 04:51 PM) *
Either he fights Guerrero or Ortiz.


You will never be a matchmaker. Who wants to see a Guerrero rematch? There's no reason for it and Ortiz might beat him again. He needs a win, badly. And that's the opposition you'd put him in with? I'm glad you don't manage fighters Dolomite lol
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post Feb 6 2014, 06:32 PM
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He needs to rebuild, I said it before. You don't rebuild a fighter from top to bottom by putting him in with a Guerrero or Victor etc. He needs to fight someone tough who'll give him rds but he doesn't need a stiff test. Virgil needs to improve Berto's balance, his defense and a host of other things. Berto doesn't need to be in with a tough opponent but he needs someone who'll give him some good rds so he can work on improving. And when or if he does get back to world class level then you put him back in with Guerrero and a Ortiz but not now
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post Feb 6 2014, 10:20 PM
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I can't really be sure what to expect, he hurt his shoulder pretty early in the fight against karass. He has a helluva heart.
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post Feb 6 2014, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 6 2014, 11:20 PM) *
I can't really be sure what to expect, he hurt his shoulder pretty early in the fight against karass. He has a helluva heart.

Your right I wouldn't call him a quitter but its like he lacks confidence in the ring
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post Feb 6 2014, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Feb 6 2014, 06:32 PM) *
He needs to rebuild, I said it before. You don't rebuild a fighter from top to bottom by putting him in with a Guerrero or Victor etc. He needs to fight someone tough who'll give him rds but he doesn't need a stiff test. Virgil needs to improve Berto's balance, his defense and a host of other things. Berto doesn't need to be in with a tough opponent but he needs someone who'll give him some good rds so he can work on improving. And when or if he does get back to world class level then you put him back in with Guerrero and a Ortiz but not now

Agreed. Throw him in there somebody like...well shit, there's really not too many safe fights out there for him. Maybe a Humberto Soto fight, but who knows. The sad thing is, Berto wont be at the elite level anymore...as if he ever was.

The other sick thing is, they can still make a Shane Mosley fight, or at best, a Judah fight. A Judah fight may be too much of a treat, but it's still too early to tell. Like you said, Virgil has a nice bit of work to do with Berto.

I wonder how an Ortiz rematch would look by the end of this year, since both of them are at the end of the rope...
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post Feb 6 2014, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Feb 6 2014, 10:08 PM) *
Agreed. Throw him in there somebody like...well shit, there's really not too many safe fights out there for him. Maybe a Humberto Soto fight, but who knows. The sad thing is, Berto wont be at the elite level anymore...as if he ever was.

The other sick thing is, they can still make a Shane Mosley fight, or at best, a Judah fight. A Judah fight may be too much of a treat, but it's still too early to tell. Like you said, Virgil has a nice bit of work to do with Berto.

I wonder how an Ortiz rematch would look by the end of this year, since both of them are at the end of the rope...


Damn you just brought up a good tournament. How about a mini tourney with Judah, Berto, Ortiz, and Mosley. There all in the same boat. March them up and the losers ride off into the sunset and the winner gets one more shot at the big time. Why not? We may get some good fights out of it

Berto doesn't quit and I think we all live that about him but in a way he's his own worse enemy. He throws shots and falls in and defensively he's not the tightest. I also think his physique works against him. He doesn't have a boxer frame he got more of the mma square up type of body. He's too tight most of the fight and I think his muscular build is a reason why. He looks like he should be in a weight lifting contest instead of a fight

Good thing is at least he's training with Hunter right now and hopefully tightening up on those holes in his game. I think this is his last run so they need to be very very careful how they match him from here on out
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