[STEVENSKI]

I understand what you are saying but... Andrew Golota? He just quit against Tyson. He wasnt hurt. I think its fair to say he quit. He is certianly allowed to quit whenever he wants, but he took his money and ran. We as the consumer are not allowed to quit and ask for our money back.

A fractured orbital socket is enough to make most people quit especially getting punched on it by a powerful puncher like Tyson. Just because you cannot see the injury does not mean it does not exist. I think Golota got lambasted for quitting again last year when he had a broken arm.

[Keith]

A fractured orbital socket is enough to make most people quit especially getting punched on it by a powerful puncher like Tyson. Just because you cannot see the injury does not mean it does not exist. I think Golota got lambasted for quitting again last year when he had a broken arm.

Hey I just looked it up and you are right. I didnt remember that being reported after that fight. I agree with you and it was a poor example. Thanks for the info.

[Big Slim Sweet]

A fractured orbital socket is enough to make most people quit especially getting punched on it by a powerful puncher like Tyson. Just because you cannot see the injury does not mean it does not exist. I think Golota got lambasted for quitting again last year when he had a broken arm.

I'm not sure that fractured orbital socket was ever confirmed or if it was just something Golota's wife said as a cover.

Either way running out of the ring the way he did was an absolute disgrace.

I agree with Fitz, there are cases where enough is enough, the fighter knows he's in over his head on this particular night, has already taken a lot of punishment and doesn't have a realistic chance of pulling out the win. None of this was the case with Ortiz. He'd taken some shots but it was clear that physically he was still very much in the fight. He just didn't want to deal with the pain. That's fine for the average guy on the street but not for a guy who fights professionally for a living.

I don't want to see every fighter come into the ring ready to die. But I would like to see every fighter give a complete effort.

[STEVENSKI]

I'm not sure that fractured orbital socket was ever confirmed or if it was just something Golota's wife said as a cover.

Either way running out of the ring the way he did was an absolute disgrace.

It was confirmed to my satisfaction that he had a fracture in training & it had not sufficiently healed & Tyson rebroke it during the fight.

That's the bottom line for me. Like Tszyu as well for example against Hatton. He tried his best, he was against all odds, old and one round left. It was a physically gruelling and dirty fight, and had enough. I think that's different from quitting at the first sign of being pushed.

Tszyu was starting to take some very heavy leather & along with a dirty referee Lewis had no choice but to step in & call it off. That is one instance hwere those 3 minutes could have changed Tszyu's life for the worse.

[BGv2.0]

I'm curious as to how people feel about Alexis Arguello in relation to "quiting"?

Will many show him the same level of distain considering he pretty well quit on life...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

[STEVENSKI]

I'm curious as to how people feel about Alexis Arguello in relation to "quiting"?

Will many show him the same level of distain considering he pretty well quit on life...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

Being a person who has been suicidal before it is not "quitting" it is not seeing a way out combined with being very sick leads to poor decision making & judgment.

[Big Slim Sweet]

It was confirmed to my satisfaction that he had a fracture in training & it had not sufficiently healed & Tyson rebroke it during the fight.

Maybe so. Either way running out of the ring the way he did was still the worst of his many public humiliations.

I'm curious as to how people feel about Alexis Arguello in relation to "quiting"?

Will many show him the same level of distain considering he pretty well quit on life...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

No. Quitting on life is not the same thing as quitting in a fight. No one chooses to be born.

This post has been edited by Big Slim: Jul 2 2009, 11:30 AM

[Spyder]

No. Quitting on life is not the same thing as quitting in a fight. No one chooses to be born.

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It's too late to give an opinion on the matter...your ass is already here! You can only deal with what's in front of you at the moment. Now when shit gets rough...do you fight your way through it, or do you throw in the towel?

A lot can be said about a person by answering that question.

[BGv2.0]

You can only deal with what's in front of you at the moment. Now when shit gets rough...do you fight your way through it, or do you throw in the towel?

A lot can be said about a person by answering that question.

EXACTLY! So I really don't see how it is not "quitting".

You see people with F'N cancer fight to stay alive until the bitter end......and then others just give up.

Is it the exact same as quitting in a professional boxing match.....no......BUT it is the same principal.

And since SO MANY on this board are quick to bash Ortiz for "quitting"....I'm just curious if they feel the same way about this situation....because in principal it's pretty well the same.

[Big Slim Sweet]

I don't feel the same way about the situation and I don't feel in principal they are pretty well the same. Not at all.

And I don't feel like explaining my feelings either. Sorry.