[un01]

asking floyd to fight at 160 is stupid and insane. he doesnt need to kill himself to prove anything... i know people want to see his 0 taken away, but damn, be fair about it, next they'll ask him to fight ward

This post has been edited by un01: May 15 2012, 12:55 AM

[mrwigi]

I think Floyd wins but its definitely nothing easy or sure. But what I didn't understand is how has he lost steam? Isn't he like on a 4 fight ko streak?

+1

I dont understand either why people say he has lost steam

[Chameleon]

Floyd is my man, but please dont put him in there with Sergio Martinez...When sergio hit williams, i thought he was dead for alittle bit haha.....Sergio has the best punchers chance out there against floyd, other than berto. And i would usually give floyd the nod, but after watching him against cotto, it was almost just the amount he could handle. Sergio is stronger, faster, has that left straight, taller, and much more durable compared to cotto, he wouldnt get outboxed like mosely either.....It would be a great fight, im not sure which one i would go for.............Im already sold (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drinks.gif)

Yea, it seems to me, we have some DIE HARD Mayweather blind fans, even to say Martinez does not deserve 20%. Wow, Then who deserves to fight Mayweather, NO ONE in the sport today makes half of what he makes. NO one. Not even the runner up Pacman. But then again- to be honest, mayweather did not become MONEY mayweather from fighting the best, but fighting the best paydays. -First nice payday from De la hoya-retired. Then came back and fought Ricky hatton-big fan base-then retired, then came back and fought Marquez who jumped up 2 wt classes-BIG Mexican fan base, then Mosley who had a strong name....What i'm saying is that since mayweather beat oscar, became the cash cow, have we seen him fight the best???? That's a tuff conversation because ppl say what he do to deserve that fight, Martinez ko'd his last 4 opponents, the last 1 of them being undefeated. The belt cotto and margarito fight was for was martinez belt, no-one wanted to take it from him so he vacated it. I'm a mayweather fan, but u dnt become a CASH COW by fighting the best, but by fighting the best FAN-Base. and keeping mexicans and ricans on the undercard. Mayweather didnt get the attraction until he BEAT Oscar, before that, no ppv. So he wants to fight the best, who in welter weight beating sergio? who was the 154lb champ... but the fans been duped into the whole, he dont deserve a payday... Victor ortiz highest pay b4 mayweather was $600,000, he fought may and got 10times that. $6million. May received $30mill. Which is 20%. but It seems now, Mayweather gets a free pass because ppl fell into his money persona, that if u dnt make great ppv numbers, u cant beat me. Look at his last 3 fights and tell me he did those numbers by himself, yeah, right. He likes to have a Mexican and rican on the undercard,-THEY SPEND money- look at Oscar vs floyd-before that, floyd did not have BIG PPV numbers. Sergio would give floyd problems at 154. But speak with the facts. Sergio fought at 147, couldnt get a fight so he moved up in weight. ...
Floyd losses that fight if u ask me.... after his cotto performance, -martinez is a slick southpaw counter puncher, with a hard over hand left, ko- bigger guys.

[Franchize]

To be honest, I don't like the direction Floyd is going with the guys he's fighting now. Ortiz was cool. So was cotto but c'mon. He shouldn't have to prove this also. People should be coming down in weight to fight him at 147. For a guy who's taken proper precaution to ensure his health throughout his caree, this is an unnecessary risk. Even if Martinez beats him, it doesn't prove anything. Martinez fights at 154, but he's bigger than that. There are weight classes for a reason. These guys are going to take a tol on Floyd's body. You can't keep going in there fighting guys 20 lbs heavier than you. Even if he wins, the fight will undoubtedly shorten his career IMO. He's the P4P king, the PPV king and he holds the belts. Let guys break their necks to fight him. All these guys moving up to 147 now...let them come get some.

[Cshel86]

Wow, another Mayweather topic??? Great way to pop your cherry... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif)

I wonder what else you know about boxing...or should I even waste my time asking?

[leonthegee]

Yea, it seems to me, we have some DIE HARD Mayweather blind fans, even to say Martinez does not deserve 20%. Wow, Then who deserves to fight Mayweather, NO ONE in the sport today makes half of what he makes. NO one. Not even the runner up Pacman. But then again- to be honest, mayweather did not become MONEY mayweather from fighting the best, but fighting the best paydays. -First nice payday from De la hoya-retired. Then came back and fought Ricky hatton-big fan base-then retired, then came back and fought Marquez who jumped up 2 wt classes-BIG Mexican fan base, then Mosley who had a strong name....What i'm saying is that since mayweather beat oscar, became the cash cow, have we seen him fight the best???? That's a tuff conversation because ppl say what he do to deserve that fight, Martinez ko'd his last 4 opponents, the last 1 of them being undefeated. The belt cotto and margarito fight was for was martinez belt, no-one wanted to take it from him so he vacated it. I'm a mayweather fan, but u dnt become a CASH COW by fighting the best, but by fighting the best FAN-Base. and keeping mexicans and ricans on the undercard. Mayweather didnt get the attraction until he BEAT Oscar, before that, no ppv. So he wants to fight the best, who in welter weight beating sergio? who was the 154lb champ... but the fans been duped into the whole, he dont deserve a payday... Victor ortiz highest pay b4 mayweather was $600,000, he fought may and got 10times that. $6million. May received $30mill. Which is 20%. but It seems now, Mayweather gets a free pass because ppl fell into his money persona, that if u dnt make great ppv numbers, u cant beat me. Look at his last 3 fights and tell me he did those numbers by himself, yeah, right. He likes to have a Mexican and rican on the undercard,-THEY SPEND money- look at Oscar vs floyd-before that, floyd did not have BIG PPV numbers. Sergio would give floyd problems at 154. But speak with the facts. Sergio fought at 147, couldnt get a fight so he moved up in weight. ...
Floyd losses that fight if u ask me.... after his cotto performance, -martinez is a slick southpaw counter puncher, with a hard over hand left, ko- bigger guys.

Dont fool yourself man Serg has been on a great run no question but hes a tweener. Serg was never dominate at 154lbs before so what makes you think he can drop down now and beat the best fighter onthe planet? Dont forget Serg is the same guy that struggled against Kermit Cintron. Serg isnt a pressure fighter and he doesnt throw any body punches. We can actually sit here and say Floyd doesnt have to worry about getting out worked.

Sergs has been fighting bigger guys that chase him around and gas out late in fights. Floyd will be able to cut off the ring and he definetly will not gas out late. Sergs best attack is to foot stomp and land the straight left.

Also what entitles Serg to 20% in a fight with Floyd? Hes been on a great run as of late but he cant draw flies to shit. His last fight sold like what? 3500 tickets and did like 660,000 at the gate? Yawn!!! And thats in NYC and those were all pissed off Irish drunks. Is Serg gonna bring 10,000 Argentians to Vegas? Fuck no. If your gonna be mad be mad at HBO for not marketing this guy as the next Floyd stopper. At least then "Mayweather Hater Nation" will move off Pacquiao and on to Serg. I could live with that.

[Chameleon]

Wow, another Mayweather topic??? Great way to pop your cherry... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_anim.gif)

lol, more of, a topic, on, Does the BEST fight the Best? or does the best just fight for paydays... but in a sense, its a business, so one side will always be compromised. I'm still shocked roach and the gang decided to fight a dangerous fight in Timothy bradley. I fight i'm looking forward to, i smell an upset.
Maybe i should have just made it a topic, Bernard hopkins became the big attraction by fighting the smaller but bigger name guys... same person to- oscar de la hoya... statistic wise, the blacks has to fight the mexican or rican to become a big money attraction...non heavy weight.... well, now, klits has the money. but not to defer the topic, the big money guy is not most times the easier fight. The strong risky fight normally has a small fan base. Bradley vs pacman, bradley has a small fanbase compared to whoever.. pacman has a country-small ppv numbers, but a legit fight, and pacman fighting a bigger guy undefeated. mayweather vs martinez would be equivalent, but, its not gonna happen, if its "all" about the money. And face it, he is money....mayweather. Fans lose on this one.

[Franchize]

Yea, it seems to me, we have some DIE HARD Mayweather blind fans, even to say Martinez does not deserve 20%. Wow, Then who deserves to fight Mayweather, NO ONE in the sport today makes half of what he makes. NO one. Not even the runner up Pacman. But then again- to be honest, mayweather did not become MONEY mayweather from fighting the best, but fighting the best paydays. -First nice payday from De la hoya-retired. Then came back and fought Ricky hatton-big fan base-then retired, then came back and fought Marquez who jumped up 2 wt classes-BIG Mexican fan base, then Mosley who had a strong name....What i'm saying is that since mayweather beat oscar, became the cash cow, have we seen him fight the best???? That's a tuff conversation because ppl say what he do to deserve that fight, Martinez ko'd his last 4 opponents, the last 1 of them being undefeated. The belt cotto and margarito fight was for was martinez belt, no-one wanted to take it from him so he vacated it. I'm a mayweather fan, but u dnt become a CASH COW by fighting the best, but by fighting the best FAN-Base. and keeping mexicans and ricans on the undercard. Mayweather didnt get the attraction until he BEAT Oscar, before that, no ppv. So he wants to fight the best, who in welter weight beating sergio? who was the 154lb champ... but the fans been duped into the whole, he dont deserve a payday... Victor ortiz highest pay b4 mayweather was $600,000, he fought may and got 10times that. $6million. May received $30mill. Which is 20%. but It seems now, Mayweather gets a free pass because ppl fell into his money persona, that if u dnt make great ppv numbers, u cant beat me. Look at his last 3 fights and tell me he did those numbers by himself, yeah, right. He likes to have a Mexican and rican on the undercard,-THEY SPEND money- look at Oscar vs floyd-before that, floyd did not have BIG PPV numbers. Sergio would give floyd problems at 154. But speak with the facts. Sergio fought at 147, couldnt get a fight so he moved up in weight. ...
Floyd losses that fight if u ask me.... after his cotto performance, -martinez is a slick southpaw counter puncher, with a hard over hand left, ko- bigger guys.

But what's Martinez' fan base? Isn't that even more ammo for Floyd to not give him 20%? Martinez isn't Mexican, Phillipino, Puerto Rican or from the UK. He isn't an american fan favorit and he doesn't speak much english to suddenly become one. He had a HUGE KO, arguably the best since Manny KO'd Hatton, but casual fans still don't even know him enough to be mad at Arum for not making Chavez fight him. While Ortiz isn't as skilled as Maravilla, he's even a bigger name with a bigger fan base and demographic. Sergio might have to just bite the bullet on this one and take a flat fee. End of the day, unless he gets KO'd early, it will lead to bigger pay days in the long run anyway.

[Cshel86]

lol, more of, a topic, on, Does the BEST fight the Best? or does the best just fight for paydays... but in a sense, its a business, so one side will always be compromised. I'm still shocked roach and the gang decided to fight a dangerous fight in Timothy bradley. I fight i'm looking forward to, i smell an upset.
Maybe i should have just made it a topic, Bernard hopkins became the big attraction by fighting the smaller but bigger name guys... same person to- oscar de la hoya... statistic wise, the blacks has to fight the mexican or rican to become a big money attraction...non heavy weight.... well, now, klits has the money. but not to defer the topic, the big money guy is not most times the easier fight. The strong risky fight normally has a small fan base. Bradley vs pacman, bradley has a small fanbase compared to whoever.. pacman has a country-small ppv numbers, but a legit fight, and pacman fighting a bigger guy undefeated. mayweather vs martinez would be equivalent, but, its not gonna happen, if its "all" about the money. And face it, he is money....mayweather. Fans lose on this one.

The best hardly ever fight the best, so whats your point? One more question...who DOESN'T fight for paydays? Why do you think Sergio is BEGGING for a payday? Why cant Sergio even get a payday in his own division? At this point, I dont believe anybody's avoiding Sergio due to his highly inflated "skill level"...they're avoiding him because he's a dull ass payday.

African Americans dont have the bigger share of the market nowadays (as I've been saying for a while), so why not fight guys for big paydays? These aren't the Ali, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, HW days when African Americans were earning big money in the sport.

This shit has been done to death, who cares?

[Cshel86]

Since u have common sense, the point was, is mayweather ducking him, or rather not test his skills, and looking for another big payday for his next fight. As he says, he's about business and self preservation= best payday least risk.(smart business move tho). Is sergio a BEAST? remains to be seen. But as u say, why not fight for paydays... then thats why i said, mayweather in that case is not fighting the best, but the best paydays... I just wanted yall take on do he thanks its too much of a risk for him to fight Sergio martinez, or, just dont want the low payday. Because before ortiz beat berto, he wasnt a payday fight... but again, its all relative to marketing strategy. Remember the fight-The great white hype.... The president had in on it if the white guy won.. So when do we get to see the BEST fight the BEST where we can say, i dnt know, it can go either way. I think the martinez mayweather fight is it, just as the Bradley pacman fight can go either way... but just one mans opinion.

Again, who DOESN'T fight for bigger paydays? Hell, most of these guys that are out here fighting, are fighting according to the direction that they're promoter is leading is them. Promoters "preserve" their fighters as well...ya know?...making them fight low-risk fights and try to get the lion's share of the purse. Low risk, high reward?

Im wondering why is it a problem for Floyd to do the same? Honestly, if he still had a promoter, then the same thing would be going on. I cant even say that he doesn't necessarily fight the best, but on another note, I felt that Cotto was going to be an easy fight for him, though I gave Cotto a puncher's chance. We saw him in what people would NOW rate as the best fight of his career (as of late). Nobody was saying that before the first bell rang.

Sergio is two weight classes above Floyd and has consistently fought there for 2 years now. The funniest part about Sergio is, his ass cant even decide whether or not, he's a MW or a Jr. MW. When a Kirkland fight was presented to him, he said that Kirkland had to come up to 160, but when a Mayweather fight is brought up...he begs for it and says that he can make 154 comfortably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Funny aint it?

Why would he make Kirkland move up in weight, but not Floyd? He views Kirkland as a risk, but he (Sergio) is willing to risk his health to fight for what? Yep you got it...a big payday. Again, African Americans dont dominate the market as they once did, so it's best to strike while the iron's hot...i.e. Mayweather picking Ortiz after a big victory over an undefeated Berto.

Guys are complaining about Floyd "cherry picking" and not fighting the best, but again, that $32M guaranteed purse speaks volumes that people are trying to overlook. I would say that some people need to take notes...

Floyd has managed to "preserve" his body by calculating the risk before and during his fights, and most of all...he's managed to preserve brain cells. Im sure he thought Cotto would be an easy fight (though he doesn't underestimate her opponents), but we saw it a bit differently. So cherry picking doesn't always mean a "safe fight" when the bell rings, because one punch can change that...