[Cheesey1]

Yet another example of the double standard in the boxing press when it comes to Floyd and the anti-Floyd (in my book being called the anti-Floyd isn't a compliment). I'm not saying that they probably weren't good but as we saw with Pacquaio vs. Mosley nobody seemed interested in what the official PPV numbers were (I still haven't seen anybody officially confirm them, I might have missed it, if so, sorry), which seems to be the case with Marqez vs. Pacquaio. Why is that? When it comes to Floyd Mayweather certain people want to see the "long form" PPV results, in fact they probably would've preferrred to see people's actual cable bills and ticket stubs as proof of purchase! Yet these same people don't even raise an eyebrow when there is no mention of when we can expect the official PPV numbers for their guys' most recent bout.
I don't lose any sleep over this because ignorant people love being ignorant and they wouldn't care what I have to say anyway, but I can let them know that they aren't slick, that shit is obvious.

[Cshel86]

+1

Good post Cheesey! I suppose you were listening in on the show last night, because this was definitely brought up. In my opinion, there aren't too many people out there in the boxing world who are going to go poking around for Pac's PPV numbers...nobody wants to hear his fuckin' mouth.

With the level of sensitivity going on in the boxing world, Im sure nobody wants a DEFAMATION law suit pushed up their asses or shoved down their throats as soon as Arum's butt starts to hurt. That's got to be the most disgusting, resentful, and yet, oh so sensitive scumbag walking the face of this Earth.

Nobody in the boxing world is going to risk pissing Arum off and having him whistle and pull Pac's leash to another network. The networks make too much money off of Pacquiao...hell, who doesn't make too much money off of that gentle naive little motherfucker. So there you have it, NOBODY can say anything about Pacquiao without hurting Arum's feelings.

At this point, you have wonder who REALLY wanted to go through with the defamation suit...

[daprofessor]

if i was getting a check off of that ppv i might concern myself with the numbers. but as it stands....i'm not, so...wgara? i watched that one for free. i don't purchase ppv's. they are part of the problem.

[checkleft]

Because the fire is gone.. we know that if marquez did that to pac mayweather would more than likely emberrass him. We know he is the cash cow anyway, if it isn't 50-50 than he should get the larger end.

But the real reason is probably because the fights scorecards overshadowed the numbers.

[Allmenjoi8]

+1

Good post Cheesey! I suppose you were listening in on the show last night, because this was definitely brought up. In my opinion, there aren't too many people out there in the boxing world who are going to go poking around for Pac's PPV numbers...nobody wants to hear his fuckin' mouth.

With the level of sensitivity going on in the boxing world, Im sure nobody wants a DEFAMATION law suit pushed up their asses or shoved down their throats as soon as Arum's butt starts to hurt. That's got to be the most disgusting, resentful, and yet, oh so sensitive scumbag walking the face of this Earth.

Nobody in the boxing world is going to risk pissing Arum off and having him whistle and pull Pac's leash to another network. The networks make too much money off of Pacquiao...hell, who doesn't make too much money off of that gentle naive little motherfucker. So there you have it, NOBODY can say anything about Pacquiao without hurting Arum's feelings.

At this point, you have wonder who REALLY wanted to go through with the defamation suit...

lol!!!

Arum pays a lot of writers and in these tough economic times they are trying to keep a job, I understand that. I feel people are not sweating the numbers for two solid reasons: 1. If the kept asking about the numbers then Pac may ask Arum how much his cut is from the PPVs. If Arum is telling his reporters to chill with the numbers talk then Pac can not truly know what percentage he made from the fight. 2. With the numbers come the Floyd comparisons. I am sure this fight did well but at the same time was the general public really interested in buying the PPV for a third time when they could watch the fight for free the next week? The fight came at a weird time. November is when the public (casual boxing fan as well) usually saves up for Black Friday and Christmas, so just maybe not too many people was willing to fork over that kind of money. Also, if the writers keep asking about the numbers the result of the fight will have to be brought up as well as the "negotiations" to the Mayweather fight. I think ARUM is trying to keep Pacquiao's name as well as his own out the press. In my humble opinion

[Cshel86]

lol!!!

Arum pays a lot of writers and in these tough economic times they are trying to keep a job, I understand that. I feel people are not sweating the numbers for two solid reasons: 1. If the kept asking about the numbers then Pac may ask Arum how much his cut is from the PPVs. If Arum is telling his reporters to chill with the numbers talk then Pac can not truly know what percentage he made from the fight. 2. With the numbers come the Floyd comparisons. I am sure this fight did well but at the same time was the general public really interested in buying the PPV for a third time when they could watch the fight for free the next week? The fight came at a weird time. November is when the public (casual boxing fan as well) usually saves up for Black Friday and Christmas, so just maybe not too many people was willing to fork over that kind of money. Also, if the writers keep asking about the numbers the result of the fight will have to be brought up as well as the "negotiations" to the Mayweather fight. I think ARUM is trying to keep Pacquiao's name as well as his own out the press. In my humble opinion

I agree with your post, all the way up until the Floyd PPV numbers comparison. Good post so far...

This is where you got me...think about what you're saying now...how could the general public not be interested in buying this fight, when the first two fights were so controversial? All people know is Pacquiao and the story of "some Mexican dude" (if they dont know JMM's name) giving him trouble in two fights. Trust e, I've heard clueless fans discussing, they either think that Juan gave Pac two draws or they believe Pac lost both fights (according to them taking Floyd's word for it). So whether they know the whole story, its still a reason to want to tune in.

As far as the November thing...totally off. These last 2-3 months of the year, and the first couple of months of the new year (tax season) is when people spend money with nearly no regards for where its going, not everybody, but the majority. Of course Black Friday is a reason to save money, but you to also think about holiday shopping, visitors, etc...money goes down the drain quickly.

Let's not even talk about December...much money is spent on frivolous things other than gifts...again, there's out of town visitors, long days of shopping which for things you dont need along with more food being bought, etc. I will bet my bottom dollar that if a Floyd fight were to happen in the month of December, then you would break your neck to buy it...why did I even ask? Sure you would.

You cant possibly think that just because the big name fighters aren't headlining a PPV, then that means people will look past it. Hell, when you order a PPV, you usually dont have to pay for it until the next month or so, thats half the battle won, if you're stuck deciding whether to order it or not. Again, just because you aren't willing to "fork over" money for a PPV, that doesn't mean that another boxing fan that it isn't just stuck on FMJ, wouldn't. Stop making it so obvious that you aren't a true boxing fan, and you only willing to pay to see Floyd fight. You even bring up great fights in your posts, but then say immediately after it, that you wouldn't spend your money on it. If Floyd did a PPV every month at let's say $70 a pop, then YOU would definitely be $840 in the whole, with no shame.

Since we are talking about "forking over" money for PPVs at the end of the year, let's stick to the months of Nov. and Dec. I will dip and dab, but dont lose me here, I wont go back too far...Nov. '06- FMJ/Baldomir, Dec. '07- FMJ/Hatton, Dec. '08- De La Hoya/Pacquiao, Nov. '09- Cotto/Pacquiao, Nov. '10- Pac/Margarito, Nov. '11- Pac/JMM 3, Dec. '11- Cotto/Maragarito 2. Get my pattern here? Lets not even get started on the big fights every year in May. Not too many Black Fridays have hurt these PPV numbers as far as I know, because they all have magically did at least a million or over (maybe with the exception of FMJ/Baldomir). Go figure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

[Hotsauce]

i don't see anybody talking about it

[Cshel86]

i don't see anybody talking about it

Thats the point we're trying to make...

[Allmenjoi8]

I agree with your post, all the way up until the Floyd PPV numbers comparison. Good post so far...

This is where you got me...think about what you're saying now...how could the general public not be interested in buying this fight, when the first two fights were so controversial? All people know is Pacquiao and the story of "some Mexican dude" (if they dont know JMM's name) giving him trouble in two fights. Trust e, I've heard clueless fans discussing, they either think that Juan gave Pac two draws or they believe Pac lost both fights (according to them taking Floyd's word for it). So whether they know the whole story, its still a reason to want to tune in.

As far as the November thing...totally off. These last 2-3 months of the year, and the first couple of months of the new year (tax season) is when people spend money with nearly no regards for where its going, not everybody, but the majority. Of course Black Friday is a reason to save money, but you to also think about holiday shopping, visitors, etc...money goes down the drain quickly.

Let's not even talk about December...much money is spent on frivolous things other than gifts...again, there's out of town visitors, long days of shopping which for things you dont need along with more food being bought, etc. I will bet my bottom dollar that if a Floyd fight were to happen in the month of December, then you would break your neck to buy it...why did I even ask? Sure you would.

You cant possibly think that just because the big name fighters aren't headlining a PPV, then that means people will look past it. Hell, when you order a PPV, you usually dont have to pay for it until the next month or so, thats half the battle won, if you're stuck deciding whether to order it or not. Again, just because you aren't willing to "fork over" money for a PPV, that doesn't mean that another boxing fan that it isn't just stuck on FMJ, wouldn't. Stop making it so obvious that you aren't a true boxing fan, and you only willing to pay to see Floyd fight. You even bring up great fights in your posts, but then say immediately after it, that you wouldn't spend your money on it. If Floyd did a PPV every month at let's say $70 a pop, then YOU would definitely be $840 in the whole, with no shame.

Since we are talking about "forking over" money for PPVs at the end of the year, let's stick to the months of Nov. and Dec. I will dip and dab, but dont lose me here, I wont go back too far...Nov. '06- FMJ/Baldomir, Dec. '07- FMJ/Hatton, Dec. '08- De La Hoya/Pacquiao, Nov. '09- Cotto/Pacquiao, Nov. '10- Pac/Margarito, Nov. '11- Pac/JMM 3, Dec. '11- Cotto/Maragarito 2. Get my pattern here? Lets not even get started on the big fights every year in May. Not too many Black Fridays have hurt these PPV numbers as far as I know, because they all have magically did at least a million or over (maybe with the exception of FMJ/Baldomir). Go figure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif)

That is funny but far from the truth. I only buy two PPVs per year but that does not matter. I am looking at him from an economical point of view with the numbers. I just think are economy is so on the down slide maybe people did not tune as they normally would. Because you heard people talking about the fight does that automatically transcend into them buying the fight? Remember, people were saying JMM would get blown out in the first three rounds. Why would someone pay great money at an hard economic time to see 9 minutes of boxing? The question still reminds, why are the official numbers not being released? Arum turned 80 yesterday so maybe he forgot or he is trying his best to keep Pacquiao's and his name out of the public. Everyone now is talking about Cotto and that is the way he wants it. Now if Khan loses to Peterson (earlier Christmas gift) then that will push the Mayweather and Pacquiao fight right back in the forefront

[Cshel86]

That is funny but far from the truth. I only buy two PPVs per year but that does not matter. I am looking at him from an economical point of view with the numbers. I just think are economy is so on the down slide maybe people did not tune as they normally would. Because you heard people talking about the fight does that automatically transcend into them buying the fight? Remember, people were saying JMM would get blown out in the first three rounds. Why would someone pay great money at an hard economic time to see 9 minutes of boxing? The question still reminds, why are the official numbers not being released? Arum turned 80 yesterday so maybe he forgot or he is trying his best to keep Pacquiao's and his name out of the public. Everyone now is talking about Cotto and that is the way he wants it. Now if Khan loses to Peterson (earlier Christmas gift) then that will push the Mayweather and Pacquiao fight right back in the forefront

I agree to a certain extent. You're right, just because people talk about the fight, doesn't mean that they ordered it, I agree. I still dont agree with the fact that just because you are only willing to budget 2 PPVs per year, that it means that the economy is on a downslide. Im sure thats not what you meant, but Im starting to think that was in direct relation to your statement about the economy. Hell, how often do you get to walk into a Red Lobster and just pick a seat? Hmm...Im sure we all still have to take one of those buzzy things and sit our ass down until it buzzes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) McDonald's drive-thrus are still wrapped around the damn building with McChicken zealots, but who's complaining?

If these fighters are still selling 1 million plus PPVs, then Im trying to see just how bad the economy is...cant be that bad. Then on top of that, they may want to eat and drink during the fight, surely thats not free...again, just how bad could the economy be? It's called "scaling back" as you have claimed to do...2 PPVs a year, so I guess you get it. Still, that doesn't mean that these guys aren't selling anything...I mean the highest sold was De La Hoya/Mayweather (over 2 million sold), but most of these other huge fights have hit or exceeded a million...and anything close to a million is pretty good as well.

Just because people said JMM would get blown out early, that doesn't mean anything...shit, Pacquiao was still there, doesn't that count for anything? I mean dang, Mike Tyson would sell the hell out of some PPVs, and his opponents wouldn't last more than a round or two...did that stop people from buying it? Do the math. If people like/love/nuthug a fighter, then they will buy it just because (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dntknw.gif) As far as the results of Khan/Peterson, it doesn't have much to do with pushing Mayweather/Pacquiao to the forefront...those two guys aren't even important enough to be put in the same sentence with FMJ/Pac. If anything, Khan better put on a convincing performance tomorrow and hope that even crosses Floyd's mind.