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mgrover
post Jan 8 2013, 10:25 AM
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I don't think anyone in this era of boxing has the type of support he does, he could come out tomorrow and say he has a substance problem for example and the whole world not just his country would be behind him.

What I was happy about actually that when he lost to Marquez, in the post fight he didn't make any excuses, any bullshit, no mention of OSDT, no mention of Marquez's physique, he'll it was even him that said it was a punch he didn't see rather than new found power by Marquez. I mean how many people are genuinely like that? We all saw how Khan reacted the second it seemed that Peterson was on something.

I guess that's the power of being the 'good guy'. His two main rivals, Marquez and Mayweather to an extent, do they even command the same type of support?
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post Jan 8 2013, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2013, 08:00 AM) *
No funny guy, I dont think about Filippino boxers when I drink. Though Manny's post-130 lb career was mostly hype and great matchmaking, he's still a star. Doesn't that happen with all of the megastars in boxing? You cant deny those Barrera, Morales, and Marquez fights...nobody can.

Take a listen at their national anthem for yourself, no need for me to explain it. Point is, you wont be hearing it while a megastar is preparing to enter the ring. Instead, it will more than likely be shoved down our throats.


Dude you just stated that alcohol was involved in your post its whatever.

His fights at the lower level were great and even legitimate and i think I like that version of Pacquiao anyway. When he started moving up and the catch weights the BS 8 weight championships BS that is when he lost me. Then the steroids allegations it was too much plus the hype that was behind him buried my liking for him. There maybe another great Filipino boxer in the years to come, I do not see the Filipino Flab and Gesta as the next in line. People said that there will never be another Mayweather and we have Broner the closest thing. So chin up and dry your eyes the Island will rise again.
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post Jan 8 2013, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 8 2013, 08:25 AM) *
I don't think anyone in this era of boxing has the type of support he does, he could come out tomorrow and say he has a substance problem for example and the whole world not just his country would be behind him.

What I was happy about actually that when he lost to Marquez, in the post fight he didn't make any excuses, any bullshit, no mention of OSDT, no mention of Marquez's physique, he'll it was even him that said it was a punch he didn't see rather than new found power by Marquez. I mean how many people are genuinely like that? We all saw how Khan reacted the second it seemed that Peterson was on something.

I guess that's the power of being the 'good guy'. His two main rivals, Marquez and Mayweather to an extent, do they even command the same type of support?


This is a very good post. Mosley is a gracious loser even Marquez. And Manny is a manufactured good guy there have been many reports about his behavior outside the ring but people cover it up. I think Oscar De La Hoya had that support if not more than Pac. Manny could not mention PEDs because then that would open up a can of worms that he has been trying to avoid. And what excuse could he had made? He got reckless and he paid the price for it. Just like Hatton was reckless with Pac. What could Hatton say? He got caught. I think if he came out and said he had a substance abuse problem there would be some backlash but not a lot however he said that he was using PEDS he can kiss the presidency of the Filipino people goodbye!
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post Jan 8 2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 12:24 PM) *
Dude you just stated that alcohol was involved in your post its whatever.

His fights at the lower level were great and even legitimate and i think I like that version of Pacquiao anyway. When he started moving up and the catch weights the BS 8 weight championships BS that is when he lost me. Then the steroids allegations it was too much plus the hype that was behind him buried my liking for him. There maybe another great Filipino boxer in the years to come, I do not see the Filipino Flab and Gesta as the next in line. People said that there will never be another Mayweather and we have Broner the closest thing. So chin up and dry your eyes the Island will rise again.

Fact of the matter is, dude was built to be a megastar, and that doesn't involve stiff competition on a consistent basis. The point of building a megastar in boxing, is to KEEP them a star for as long as possible.

Oscar was one of the few that fought just about everybody out there, win lose or draw. The difference between him and Manny is, Oscar was a star from jump. Remember when Manny was known as "The Destroyer"...who was checking for him back then? No many.

Hell, nobody even knew where his career was going around the time of the Barrera rematch. Hell, things didn't start to look on the uphill for him, until the second Marquez fight. Around that time, people's attention was hardly on the lightweight division, or anything below that.

With that in mind, getting to the top is hard...but staying there is even harder. If you're smart, you'd maximize the low/medium risk fights, and move forward in that Manny.

Please dont insult Mayweather by saying that Broner replaces him, sorry, but that's far from the truth. Difference is, we're talking about a guy from the U.S., very a needle in the haystack talent from a 3rd world country. And please cut the chummy stuff about "chinning up and drying my eyes", it aint that serious bro.
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post Jan 8 2013, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 8 2013, 10:25 AM) *
I don't think anyone in this era of boxing has the type of support he does, he could come out tomorrow and say he has a substance problem for example and the whole world not just his country would be behind him.

What I was happy about actually that when he lost to Marquez, in the post fight he didn't make any excuses, any bullshit, no mention of OSDT, no mention of Marquez's physique, he'll it was even him that said it was a punch he didn't see rather than new found power by Marquez. I mean how many people are genuinely like that? We all saw how Khan reacted the second it seemed that Peterson was on something.

I guess that's the power of being the 'good guy'. His two main rivals, Marquez and Mayweather to an extent, do they even command the same type of support?



very good point and solid post. i agree.
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post Jan 8 2013, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2013, 10:54 AM) *
Fact of the matter is, dude was built to be a megastar, and that doesn't involve stiff competition on a consistent basis. The point of building a megastar in boxing, is to KEEP them a star for as long as possible.

Oscar was one of the few that fought just about everybody out there, win lose or draw. The difference between him and Manny is, Oscar was a star from jump. Remember when Manny was known as "The Destroyer"...who was checking for him back then? No many.

Hell, nobody even knew where his career was going around the time of the Barrera rematch. Hell, things didn't start to look on the uphill for him, until the second Marquez fight. Around that time, people's attention was hardly on the lightweight division, or anything below that.

With that in mind, getting to the top is hard...but staying there is even harder. If you're smart, you'd maximize the low/medium risk fights, and move forward in that Manny.

Please dont insult Mayweather by saying that Broner replaces him, sorry, but that's far from the truth. Difference is, we're talking about a guy from the U.S., very a needle in the haystack talent from a 3rd world country. And please cut the chummy stuff about "chinning up and drying my eyes", it aint that serious bro.


Is Broner not the closest boxing has to Mayweather? Si or No? For some reason that is what the boxing community has suggested bro, and you were the one who got testy with I. Maybe you know something that boxing pundits don't. DO I think Broner will surpass Mayweather heck no, Broner will take an L sooner rather than later. Broner gets hit way too much and his conditioning and ring IQ is not even close to Mayweather. Plus Broner relies far too heavy on his talent. Just like Pacquiao.
What made Manny a superstar was his size and the way he fought his competition. He is exciting and has that "good guy" role down to the max. I give that to him. But when he started getting exposed that is when the light got a little brighter and hotter at the same. Oscar as you mentioned fought everyone and his power was in his female fanbase. There were more women at his matches than men! But he gave the sport life and excitement. Pacquiao gave hope to a nation so they say. He is an exciting boxer that can and will be replaced. The moment they find another "humble" hard hitting Filipino he will be a star and you can hear the national anthem of the Philippines once again bro.
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post Jan 8 2013, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 8 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Is Broner not the closest boxing has to Mayweather? Si or No? For some reason that is what the boxing community has suggested bro, and you were the one who got testy with I. Maybe you know something that boxing pundits don't. DO I think Broner will surpass Mayweather heck no, Broner will take an L sooner rather than later. Broner gets hit way too much and his conditioning and ring IQ is not even close to Mayweather. Plus Broner relies far too heavy on his talent. Just like Pacquiao.
What made Manny a superstar was his size and the way he fought his competition. He is exciting and has that "good guy" role down to the max. I give that to him. But when he started getting exposed that is when the light got a little brighter and hotter at the same. Oscar as you mentioned fought everyone and his power was in his female fanbase. There were more women at his matches than men! But he gave the sport life and excitement. Pacquiao gave hope to a nation so they say. He is an exciting boxer that can and will be replaced. The moment they find another "humble" hard hitting Filipino he will be a star and you can hear the national anthem of the Philippines once again bro.

I agree that Broner fights like Mayweather, but will he ultimately replace him? That remains to be seen. Trust me, pundits are exactly whats killing the sport, and you would have to operationally define the "boxing community". If we actually went by what the boxing community suggested (strictly), then we'd be in a world of hurt.

The bold is what I've been saying the whole time, so we obviously agree somewhere in this whole thing. I'm almost inclined to say that Manny has become bigger than Oscar De La Hoya, and that's a daunting task in itself.
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post Jan 8 2013, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jan 8 2013, 02:40 PM) *
I agree that Broner fights like Mayweather, but will he ultimately replace him? That remains to be seen. Trust me, pundits are exactly whats killing the sport, and you would have to operationally define the "boxing community". If we actually went by what the boxing community suggested (strictly), then we'd be in a world of hurt.

The bold is what I've been saying the whole time, so we obviously agree somewhere in this whole thing. I'm almost inclined to say that Manny has become bigger than Oscar De La Hoya, and that's a daunting task in itself.


Cshel86 and this is what pisses me off about the whole Manny thing. Oscar fought everyone. He moved up in weight to fight Hopkins! He didn't drain him he moved up to fight him! That is why Oscar has my respect, he lost of course but still he went to challenge a champion and Manny has never done that. Either he drains them or puts stipulations on the weight clause. Manny's earlier fights with the aforementioned opponents were great, he showed heart and a willingness to take punishment and give it but as he grew in popularity his competition became suspect and no one because he was "Mr. Humble Nice Guy I fight for my People" questioned his opponents or how he made them fight. The moment this guy gets dropped all of the sudden PEDs are bad for boxing. Oscar earned his ranks Manny was given his,

I agree 100% that boxing pundits and "sports" writers are destroying boxing and sports as a whole. They pick their favorites and write warm cuddly feeling articles about their heroes and demonized the ones they hate. In return the clueless public goes along with their BS. Take HBO's nut sucking sperm swallowing of Pacquiao, they have to save face because they were responsible for hyping Manny up to be this unstoppable force. Now Marquez is a cheat and boxing needs harder testing.

Broner will lose at least 3 to 4 fights. Maybe by the end of the year or early 2014. He takes too many risks, he cares about looking good rather than boxing smart. That could be his downfall. I think he is a damn good salesman I do. I do not see the dedication in Broner to boxing that Mayweather has. Only time will tell bro so the only thing we can do is watch.

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post Jan 8 2013, 06:03 PM
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while he did drain cotto, and margarito, who else was drained? It was de la hoyas, choice to come in at some stupidly low weight and not rehydrate, although there is the whole rehydration clause business but thats been discussed to death, while yes he drained these two he himself was easily so many weight classes below them was he not in natural body size, from what i remember he had to eat a ton at first just to keep that weight on
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post Jan 9 2013, 09:07 AM
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I hate it for Donaire though, seriously. He's failed to find his identity in the sport, and that's mostly due to his competition. Most of those guys in the lower weight classes nowadays, have failed to make a name for themselves, so it's harder for Donaire to do so.

He's not blessed with the Barreras, Moraleses (hope I spelled that right), or the Marquezes of the world. Gary Russell Jr. and few other guys in the smaller weight classes are pretty much in the same boat, in regards to not having competition.
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