[Snoop]

I certainly think not being from America, not speaking English, yeah having Floyd's style would be a tough sell for Pac. Floyd loves to play like he's some tough thug from the streets. He certainly likes to try and play the 'gangsta' which is a reasonably American concept yeah? It ensures that some love and relate to him and others want to throttle him. His whole play though is around the American success story and for that he dials in to the American pysche.

To be honest in NZ hardly anyone has heard of him. You could say we are a small country and nobody cares (and they'd be right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) but here's the point. In NZ we don't relate to Floyd's thug life persona we only judge him on his fights, if they are exciting etc. Same with manny. It's the reason why Manny is a much bigger draw in a neutral country like ours than in America. I'd be interested to know from Steve of Fitz as to which fighter is better known in Oz.

My round about point is Floyd's success or infamy or whatever you want to call it, in America is so successful there because it is a persona scripted soley for that audience.

If you feel that if Floyd were Japanese and spoke no English he would be just as successful with his PPV numbers in America as he is now then fair play to you I can't change your mind. Me? I can't see it myself.

I'll also disagree with the countries thing making it a bigger rivalry. Just seeing the way American's get into the whole East Coast/West Coast thing and your football, basketball and baseball finals I don't think you need to have guys from different countries to make the rivalry bigger.

As long as the chemistry is good that's enough. Shoot if Roy Jones and James Toney came along now, with PPV and 24/7 and all the rest of that stuff, darn that fight would be HUGE. Undefeated trash talkers like those two? You'd be looking at 2 mill. buys easy.

Valid points but again, I think this whole argument is hinging on something we agree on.

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[The Ollie Reed F...]

Ollie, the fact is that boxing is largely ignored by the American media. It is like a shitty parent that ignores one child over another. They hope that their ignorance will make it just go away.

Americans catch a lot of grief for a perceived ultra patriotism. This is, once again, largely a creation of the media. It foments the patriotic fervor in an easily influenced demographic and hits the rest of us over the head with it over and over again.

Don't get me wrong, I feel extremely lucky to have been born in the USA, and I have and will defend my country. But, I believe that there is still a silent majority of us that defend the ideals of the Constitution of the United States of America over the geography, the flag or a sense of nationalism.

We believe in Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of happiness for all citizens, and we fight to evolve toward greater inclusiveness. We believe in The Rule of Law and Equal Justice under it. That does not mean that Equal Justice exists but simply that we the people continue to fight for it.

I believe in these truths for every man, woman and child on this planet, not just in the USA, and I fight every single day toward that end.

I like PWill, but I was pulling for the Argentinian. Does that make me less American? On the contrary, that is what Americans are all about.
I am a partner in a small local business that competes directly with three multinational corporations. When I speak at seminars and chamber meetings, I certainly tout the fact that we are local, that we are American, that our clients' money churns in the local economy. But, in the next breath I state that nobody should be doing business with my company solely because we are local and American. If our product sucks, you should not purchase it.

Competition breeds excellence. I admire excellence no matter what corner of the globe it originates from. Just because a boxer or a car is American does not mean I am interested in rooting for him or buying it.

I really like this reply and when you speak about America you always do it well and with great sensitivity. Are you any less of a patriot for pulling for the Argie? Hell no. Boxing, pro-boxing at least, is an individual sport and we are free to like who we like without judgement.

My point, my only point is this. Do I personally believe it Pac was born an American, spoke with an American accent and fought under an American flag do I think that would add to a few extra buys on his PPV? Yes I do. I think it would mean a few more casual sports fans would buy it. It's really that simple.

I'm not here to deceminate American society, boxing's place in the pysche of the mainstream fan or even what makes a PPV star, but thanks for your reply.

[The Ollie Reed F...]

Valid points but again, I think this whole argument is hinging on something we agree on.

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Same for you Snoop see my previous reply to Smarty.

Now as for that fucken Gravy................................... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Snoop]

Same for you Snoop see my previous reply to Smarty.

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[SmartyBeardo]

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Hey! Why can't three Icons have a damned beer together on this site?

Cheers.

[King Eugene]

Hey! Why can't three Icons have a damned beer together on this site?

Cheers.

Probably because three dudes hugging and laughing is um well.................gay!

just saying...

[Snoop]

Probably because three dudes hugging and laughing is um well.................gay!

just saying...

Somebody feels left out...

[King Eugene]

Somebody feels left out...

No Sir...you guys can have it.

Just give me a...
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and a brew and we good. No need for taco meat rubbing.

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[Snoop]

No Sir...you guys can have it.

Just give me a...
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and a brew and we good. No need for taco meat rubbing.

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[STEVENSKI]

To be honest in NZ hardly anyone has heard of him. You could say we are a small country and nobody cares (and they'd be right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) but here's the point. In NZ we don't relate to Floyd's thug life persona we only judge him on his fights, if they are exciting etc. Same with manny. It's the reason why Manny is a much bigger draw in a neutral country like ours than in America. I'd be interested to know from Steve of Fitz as to which fighter is better known in Oz.

I can't really speak for anyone else but as a example I watched Pac vs Cotto & Mayweather vs Mosley at the pub. The pub was far more packed for the pac fight than the Floyd fight. Actually it was embarrasing that Floyd had around 1/2 the people watching in the pub as Pac did. It got worse after round 8 & people started leaving the venue.