[pesticid]

Richard Hall - caught
Roy Jones Jr. - caught (hall of famer)
James Toney - caught (hall of famer)
Danny Batchelder - caught
Orlando Salido - caught
Fernando Vargas - caught
Shane Mosley - admitted (hall of famer)
Tommy Morrisson - admitted
Vitaly Klitschko - admitted
Mariano Carrera - caught
Frans Botha - caught
Michel Trabant - caught
Cruz Carbajal - caught
Omar Nino - caught
Joey Gilbers - caught

Now, considering how weak the testing procedures are in boxing these guys must've been incredibly dumb to get caught using steroids. I am actually surprised how many have been caught using them once again when one considers that the boxing commissions are almost always incompetent as far as any proper testing or inspection of the fighting gear and equipment.

Suspects: Pacquiao (hall of famer), Evander Holyfield (hall of famer) and Wladimir Klitscho who have never been caught or admitted to it, but it doesn't mean that they haven't done any steroids.

Pacquiao has moved up numerous weight classes and has improved on his strength, punch resistance and power. Pacman is also trained by Roach who was in James Toney's corner for the two times that James got caught using steroids. Wladimir is the brother of Vitaly who admitted using them in the amateurs. Evander - almost the entire boxing community believes that he takes them for one reason or another.

Now, I have a question for you guys. If you go into a fight (amateur or professional) and you know that the other fighter most likely will use steroids and will not get caught for using them, wouldn't you too use steroids? I most definitely will because I won't let my life at chance. If I am fighting somebody who is roided up and can hurt me in a very bad way I want to be on an equal playing field. If baseball players do it for more money, imagine fighters' motivations (more money and preserving your life)

PS: Pacquiao never tested positive for anything, neither did Barry Bonds.

[alaganza]

Heck no. Too many long term affects from the PEDs. And sooner or later when you come off of them you are going to look like crap in the ring and get hurt anyway.

To me it's not worth it. Call me old-fashioned but win or lose I would like to look myself in the mirror and know I did it the right way.

[D-MARV]

Just a few who I believe have used or uses PEDs...

Manny Pacquiao
Evander Holyfield
Amir Khan
Shannon Briggs

[Spyder]

Suspects: Pacquiao (hall of famer), Evander Holyfield (hall of famer) and Wladimir Klitscho who have never been caught or admitted to it, but it doesn't mean that they haven't done any steroids.

Ok, based off of that reasoning...you might as well add Bernard Hopkins to that list.

[pesticid]

Ok, based off of that reasoning...you might as well add Bernard Hopkins to that list.

It's not impossible, we'd never really know without good testing procedures.

[pesticid]

Heck no. Too many long term affects from the PEDs. And sooner or later when you come off of them you are going to look like crap in the ring and get hurt anyway.

To me it's not worth it. Call me old-fashioned but win or lose I would like to look myself in the mirror and know I did it the right way.

Actually, when steroids are used the right way they can be very beneficial, at least this is what the experts say. I am not talking about regular 9 to 5 juice monkeys in your local gym juicing up with whatever juice they find. I am talking about self-conscious athletes like Shane and Evander seeking PED labs in order to get the best and most beneficial product.

[alaganza]

Actually, when steroids are used the right way they can be very beneficial, at least this is what the experts say. I am not talking about regular 9 to 5 juice monkeys in your local gym juicing up with whatever juice they find. I am talking about self-conscious athletes like Shane and Evander seeking PED labs in order to get the best and most beneficial product.

I hear ya. And I believe you are correct. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. It's like the scandals in baseball. People say that steroids don't help you hit a baseball. Either you have great hand-eye coordination or you don't. That part is correct. The fact of the matter is the steroids helping is not the issue. The issue is it's a banned substance. It's illegal. So it's not the right way to do things.

[pesticid]

I hear ya. And I believe you are correct. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. It's like the scandals in baseball. People say that steroids don't help you hit a baseball. Either you have great hand-eye coordination or you don't. That part is correct. The fact of the matter is the steroids helping is not the issue. The issue is it's a banned substance. It's illegal. So it's not the right way to do things.

Absolutely, it is wrong, but try think of it this way. Would you go to a gun fight caring a knife? Now if you know that your opponent is juicing and he will have more strength, more energy, more punch resistance especially late in fights when you get tired and you're prone to get hit and hurt more, wouldn't you look at the situation in terms of what's best for me rather than what's wrong or right?

This post has been edited by pesticid: May 11 2010, 11:32 AM

[pesticid]

Absolutely, it is wrong, but try think of it this way. Would you go to a gun fight carrying a knife? Now if you know that your opponent is juicing and he will have more strength, more energy, more punch resistance especially late in fights when you get tired and you're prone to get hit and hurt more, wouldn't you look at the situation in terms of what's best for me rather than what's wrong or right?

Sorry for the typos guys, I've slept like 2-3 hours in the past 2 and a half days

[alaganza]

Absolutely, it is wrong, but try think of it this way. Would you go to a gun fight caring a knife? Now if you know that your opponent is juicing and he will have more strength, more energy, more punch resistance especially late in fights when you get tired and you're prone to get hit and hurt more, wouldn't you look at the situation in terms of what's best for me rather than what's wrong or right?

No. What's best for me is doing it right. What leads to the decay of the sport is people trying to take shortcuts to get ahead. Even if you take the PEDs as a "knee-jerk" reaction it poisons the sport. If I gotta take the "L" for being clean and fighting a dirty fighter then so be it.