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> Skilled Boxing Verses "Running", How Do The Fighers Influence The Perception of These Terms?
Jack 1000
post Apr 14 2013, 06:49 PM
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In my view,

I think that today's generation is so accustomed to the brawling, slugging mentality, that we are seeing a trend of masterful boxers being booed and accused of running. I personally think that a masterful boxing is one who can employ the strategy of hit and not be hit. Jab, stick and move show the ability to dodge punches. A boxer defined as a "runner" refuses to engage, goes into a track meet, and does not try to win.

However, masterful boxers of the past like Pep, Ali, Leonard, Nelson, Whitaker were never accused of running, even though sometimes that had to run a little bit as part of the master boxing plan. However, because Ali and Leonard were master showmen, who were often loved, sometimes hated, with often no middle-ground, they could be forgiven for anything they did because of who they were.

Boxers like Mayweather and Hopkins are often criticized not only because of their personality, but because they don't brawl. Would today's generation of most fans and writers of boxing find Pep, Ali, and Leonard "boring?" Has boxing gotten to the point where so many fighters who don't brawl are considered "runners?"

Could elusive boxing be influencing judges in a negative way, where judges are thinking "effective aggressiveness has to involve brawling?" If a boxer is not coming forward, they think he should be punished for that? Is ineffective aggression being overly praised where the boxer is coming forward and throwing, but punches aren't landing?

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post Apr 14 2013, 07:16 PM
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Today's boxing public mirrors the dumbing down of society.. even boxing has suffered. Mike Tyson in this modern time is still in people's heads. Hopkins and Mayweather are testimony to the rewards of being a boxer. a boxer=civilized brawling= savagery... Rigondeaux reinforced the dictum that the civilized will always rule the uncivilzed savage
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post Apr 14 2013, 08:20 PM
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That was a clinic and I was into every second of it.

Andre Ward been doin his thing for a minute but I haven't seen a performance that impressive since a Floyd fight. Rigondeaux looks like he's of that ilk.

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post Apr 14 2013, 08:55 PM
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It tends to be like that with other sports as well, the stuff that glitters and seems pretty gets placed on a pedestal. In this case brawling, but history has shown us that all that glitters isn't gold. I feel brawling adds to the game but so does being a counter-puncher, or a boxer or what ever label one would put on it. different styles add substance to matchups, but some fans today have one track minds. And they think a fight or fighter is no good unless it's knockout knockout knockout and that just isn't true
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post Apr 14 2013, 08:56 PM
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I know people used to hate on Leonard for "running" around the ring, Duran and Hagler hated him. alot of people still hate on Mayweather for "running away" as of now. Rigondeaux will be the new target for the excuse.

I think it has to do with if a fan is actually a fighter or not. Only boxers can appreciate styles like Mayweather/Rigondeaux/Ward/Leonard/etc. We know that the name of the game if hit and don't get hit. Getting hit by someone who knows how to punch is never something that to look forward to. To the untrained eye a boxing match is just 2 guys in a ring fighting trying to knock each other out. They don't know how much it takes to walk into that ring, to be ready for battle, to be training day in and day out for combat. And when you're in the arena, how its a mind game, keeping your eye on the opponent, picking the right punches, having the right game plan.

what i noticed from the people who are casual fans which think its just about brawling are the people who "Dont know shit about boxing". The real hardcore fans who appreciate the technique and skills are the people who are train in boxing or have grown up around it.

....PS i think this is were Broner and Mayweather differ from each other, Broner for the most part stands toe-to-toe with his opponent, doesn't do a lot of the dancing or circling his opponent. I guess he hasn't really needed to yet though. At least from what Ive seen
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post Apr 15 2013, 02:56 AM
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While I think fighters should be more rounded whether there defensive or offensive fighters I could never class it as running, although Rigo loop led like he did a little jog here and there which was hilarious
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post Apr 15 2013, 05:31 AM
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I think MMA plays a big role in people discrediting the sweet science. With MMA being such an extreme contact sport many are accustomed or expect to see that same type of contact in boxing not realizing that boxing is a comepletely different game.

What Rigondeaux did to Donaire Saturday was BEAUTIFUL. The crazy part about it is he NEVER ran throughout the entire fight. He just pivoted, ducked, non and weaved. But really he was in front of Donaire that entire fight. Judges that don't take defensive skills into account shoddy be judges because they obviously don't appreciate the sport in its entirety and have an extreme bias. Rigo embarrassed Donaire, yet the score cards were so close and so many fans complained.

It's unfortunate the skills aren't appreciated in boxing today as much as they used to be. However the sport has transformed. Today boxing skills aren't as prevelant I'm the sport as they used to be and that's mainly thanks to MMA.

However I personally feel technicians deserve the most praise. Shame on anyone that didn't appreciate the type of work that a 32 year old boxer gave. I like versatile fighters, but I'm not a fan of technicians switching it up just to please the fans. For example Mayweather compromising what got him to the top to please fans. Noones forcing them to pay to see you. They aren't taking punches for you, putting their health at risk, putting in work at the gym.with that being said you hit and try not to get hit as much as possible. I hope that Donaire-Rigo fight inspires Floyd to return to the mayweatger of old...although he could probably give 2 shits about that fight anyways.

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post Apr 15 2013, 05:48 AM
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Ignorance and bias.

MMA is not responsible because the same things goes on in MMA as well. The only difference is that MMA gives you more tools, so fights are generally shorter with more kinds of outcomes.
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post Apr 15 2013, 06:52 AM
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I do believe that MMA has influenced a lot of the public's opinion towards boxing just because there are so many more options for a potential KO or submission.... BUT tacticians are given shit all the time in MMA. GSP catches a lot of flak because he is not against out wrestling someone to take away their strengths. It's funny because as much as people prefer offense/action.... DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. Peep any professional sport championship over the last 10 years and im willing to bet at least 8/10 times the better defense has won. I'll take those odds any day. It's not just Boxing that suffers from this warped point of view....
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post Apr 15 2013, 07:19 AM
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Before MMA boxing was and still suffers from the "MIKE TYSON" SYNDROME---- MANY PEOPLE who "don't and didn't know shit about boxing can reference one name, MIKE TYSON-- people would often say I don't watch boxing much but I used to watch Mike Tyson----- TYson although in his prime had subtle skills besides his ferocious style, he etched BRAWLING INTO the stone of the PUBLIC mental. If they ain't bringing it Tyson style it is boring. ALSO credit analysts like LARRY MERCHANT who often criticized Floyd-- Hopkins-- MERCHANT WAS ALWAYS REFERRING TO HOPKINS AS BORING AND MAYWEATHER A RUNNER. COMMENTARY is responsible in big part for boxers being discredited as boring runners
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