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post Aug 21 2009, 06:22 PM
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I had no idea there were so many PWill nuthuggers. The dude is a really good fighter and he is definitely someone to get excited about... but this idea that he can just about fight anybody from welter to light heavy and be the same PWill you saw beating up 147s and old/below average 54s+60s is ludicrous. Taking a well placed shot from a LHW like X or a Pavlik right bomb could damn well put his ass straight to sleep. I think he could give KP or X problems... but this crap floating around about his iron chin and punching power is a rep based on his welterweight resume consisting of Margarito and CQ. They were average punchers even at welter and not exactly A caliber skill wise.

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post Aug 21 2009, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (Keith @ Aug 21 2009, 07:22 PM) *
I had no idea there were so many PWill nuthuggers. The dude is a really good fighter and he is definitely someone to get excited about... but this idea that he can just about fight anybody from welter to light heavy and be the same PWill you saw beating up 147s and old/below average 54s+60s is ludicrous. Taking a well placed shot from a LHW like X or a Pavlik right bomb could damn well put his ass straight to sleep. I think he could give KP or X problems... but this crap floating around about his iron chin and punching power is a rep based on his welterweight resume consisting of Margarito and CQ. They were average punchers even at welter and not exactly A caliber skill wise.



The fact is Pavlik has ice feet and doesn't seem to want no part of P Weezie and aside from a couple of dudes @154 nobody else wants none. As a boxing fan Im not extremely impressed by Paul as a fighter but I also give credit where it's due. There's a weak crop out there right now but you can't fault Paul for tryna get his in the midst of all that.

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post Aug 21 2009, 06:38 PM
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I have no interest in seeing Williams go to 170, Hopkins would get zero credit for the win.

If the Pavlik fight is not going to happen, I would really like to see Williams fight Sergio Martinez.
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post Aug 21 2009, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Aug 21 2009, 07:38 PM) *
I have no interest in seeing Williams go to 170, Hopkins would get zero credit for the win.

If the Pavlik fight is not going to happen, I would really like to see Williams fight Sergio Martinez.


I agree JD
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post Aug 21 2009, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (Sugar Q @ Aug 21 2009, 07:43 PM) *
I agree JD


Williams may well become a super middle, but he isn't one now. Maybe by the time the Super Six is finished he decided to fight there...but for now, I think he should stay where he is comfortable.
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post Aug 21 2009, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE (Method @ Aug 21 2009, 06:03 PM) *
Of course it would be, but these Williams nut huggers are scared shitless that he'd get beat up, so they try and skirt the prospect of the fight by saying the fight is meaningless, that it would only mean a loss for Hopkins. IF that's the case, it would be some legitimate exposure for Williams and a CAREER HIGH PAY DAY.

I'm certain you have nothing against Marquez moving up to fight Mayweather?

Hopkins-Williams would be closer than you guys think but Hopkins wins clearly IMO. Williams would be more active but Hopkins will land the cleaner shots.
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post Aug 23 2009, 09:48 PM
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I think Williams can beat Hopkins. I'd like to see him at 160 one more time before I flat out pick him. 170 may be too much too soon. However, Hyperactivity is the bane of Hopkins existence. I'd expect Hopkins/Williams to be alot like Hopkins/Taylor. The difference, I think, would be that Williams will not tire down the stretch. Taylor almost gave it away at the end of both matches. The other difference is that I dont think Hopkins has to worry too much about Williams power. He seemed a bit bothered by Taylors power. So maybe he'd be willing to take more risks against Williams.

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post Aug 23 2009, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 23 2009, 10:48 PM) *
I think Williams can beat Hopkins. I'd like to see him at 160 one more time before I flat out pick him. 170 may be too much too soon. However, Hyperactivity is the bane of Hokins existence. I'd expect Hopkins/Williams to be alot like Hopkins/Taylor. The differenc, I think, would be that Williams will not tire down the stretch. Taylor almost gave itr away at the end of both matches. The other difference is that I dont think Hopkins has to worry too much about Williams power. He seemed a bit bothered by Taylors power. So maybe he'd be willing to take more risks against Williams.

Great Post.

Hopkins wouldn't have to worry about PWill's power but his activity level would be something to worry about. If PWill can find a way to keep up his output then he has a great chance. You saw what happen when Calzaghe got into his rhythm... Nard couln't keep up. Interesting fight but will not likely happen.
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post Aug 23 2009, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Aug 21 2009, 05:56 PM) *
Bring on The Klitschko's!!! Hopefully Williams bony arms can act as a spear and drive their chins and teeth fragments through the tops of their skulls... How's that Stevenski??


A far more likely scenario is a cracked tooth that goes septic & he gets blood poisoning dying in a agonizing delirium with his brother cradling his head weeping uncontrollably.
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QUOTE (Sugar Q @ Aug 22 2009, 12:18 AM) *
No Nuthugger here but please tell me where Williams goes after beating Hopkins cause I think he would outwork boring Bernard? Out of his range to Dawson? 168 too soon? Williams should fight at 154-160 unless there's a lot of money involved with Bernard and Bernard comes down. Bernard should be gunning for Dawson, Adamek or Roy.


Why should Nard come down? If Williams wants some come get some. Why does he not actually do some hard work at 160 become the #1 dog by EARNING it & then force a fight with the top dog? Or is that too hard work for a modern fighter?

QUOTE (JD @ Aug 22 2009, 12:38 AM) *
I have no interest in seeing Williams go to 170, Hopkins would get zero credit for the win.


He may get zero credit but he would have my undying respect for shutting up the delusional Williams bandwagoners.
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