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mgrover
post Jan 28 2013, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 28 2013, 02:09 PM) *
One hand? Both hands tied


What's worse is a friend of mine sees him as the second coming and he's like oh yeah he's fought Mosley , blah blah blah, yet refuses to accept the fact Mosley's an old man and Lopez was way out of his weight range
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post Jan 28 2013, 05:08 PM
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i would argue that all the fighters u have mentioned have skills. u don't get to the level that they're at without them. some rely on athleticism...some rely on careful matchmaking....some rely on speed and power...but all have some level of skill.

for as much shit as chavez jr catches from ppl who don't care for him...or believe he's only there because of his pops, i'll say that he was the guy in the ring all those times he fought..not his pops. the kids is not a phenom...but he can take a punch...and he definitely gives one. he is very highly skilled at setting up and delivering that left hook to the body. it's probably his best skill and something inherited from his pops.

canelo may be feasting on the little guys and over matched opponents...but coming from mexico...and in comparison to the rest of the mexican style fighters, he is definitely highly skilled with his counter punching style and great body punching skills. his counter right hand is a thing of beauty when he uses it. that's a high skill level move.

arturo gatti was a very highly skilled boxer before he fell in love with his punching power. go back and watch his fights with tracy patterson.

malignaggi is all skill. his under standing of distance, movement, counterpunching, drawing opponents and making them miss and making them pay. doesn't get much more skillful than that.

pacquiao definitely has skill. u don't beat guys like morales, barrera and marquez without skill. go back and watch those fights and pay close attention to the subtle things he does to set up his punches. that's skill that his definitely enhanced by his tenacity and athleticism.
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post Jan 28 2013, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Jan 28 2013, 11:49 AM) *
What's worse is a friend of mine sees him as the second coming and he's like oh yeah he's fought Mosley , blah blah blah, yet refuses to accept the fact Mosley's an old man and Lopez was way out of his weight range

Haha. A bunch of my family is convinced he would beat chavez Jr even though chavez big ass would probably just bully him into submission lol
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post Jan 28 2013, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 28 2013, 03:08 PM) *
i would argue that all the fighters u have mentioned have skills. u don't get to the level that they're at without them. some rely on athleticism...some rely on careful matchmaking....some rely on speed and power...but all have some level of skill.

for as much shit as chavez jr catches from ppl who don't care for him...or believe he's only there because of his pops, i'll say that he was the guy in the ring all those times he fought..not his pops. the kids is not a phenom...but he can take a punch...and he definitely gives one. he is very highly skilled at setting up and delivering that left hook to the body. it's probably his best skill and something inherited from his pops.

canelo may be feasting on the little guys and over matched opponents...but coming from mexico...and in comparison to the rest of the mexican style fighters, he is definitely highly skilled with his counter punching style and great body punching skills. his counter right hand is a thing of beauty when he uses it. that's a high skill level move.

arturo gatti was a very highly skilled boxer before he fell in love with his punching power. go back and watch his fights with tracy patterson.

malignaggi is all skill. his under standing of distance, movement, counterpunching, drawing opponents and making them miss and making them pay. doesn't get much more skillful than that.

pacquiao definitely has skill. u don't beat guys like morales, barrera and marquez without skill. go back and watch those fights and pay close attention to the subtle things he does to set up his punches. that's skill that his definitely enhanced by his tenacity and athleticism.


Professor I can respect that but what I am saying is that their popularity mask the things that they are lacking. Yes they are skilled but their popularity have pushed the name rather than their technique. Where you been!
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 28 2013, 07:00 PM) *
Professor I can respect that but what I am saying is that their popularity mask the things that they are lacking. Yes they are skilled but their popularity have pushed the name rather than their technique. Where you been!


i was out of town for some fights.

i get that...yes...ok. so you're saying their popularity is greater than their skill set?
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 28 2013, 05:06 PM) *
i was out of town for some fights.

i get that...yes...ok. so you're saying their popularity is greater than their skill set?


Jeremy Lin is a okay basketball player but his popularity is off the charts and it supersedes his skill set. Some fighters are in the same boat. They are skilled but their popularity supersedes their skill set.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jan 28 2013, 08:43 PM) *
Jeremy Lin is a okay basketball player but his popularity is off the charts and it supersedes his skill set. Some fighters are in the same boat. They are skilled but their popularity supersedes their skill set.


u know...i can agree with that and i'm probably going to say something that is going to piss a few ppl off, but i believe that is race based. lin is a talented asian player, pac is a talented asian boxer...as are the rest of the guys mentioned, but if they were black...they'd be held to a higher standard. u almost have to be exceptional to get the recognition u deserve...and even then, they still get shitted on by journalist and talking heads.
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post Jan 29 2013, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 28 2013, 08:53 PM) *
u know...i can agree with that and i'm probably going to say something that is going to piss a few ppl off, but i believe that is race based. lin is a talented asian player, pac is a talented asian boxer...as are the rest of the guys mentioned, but if they were black...they'd be held to a higher standard. u almost have to be exceptional to get the recognition u deserve...and even then, they still get shitted on by journalist and talking heads.

Floyd.. is that you? haha jk.. Spot on.
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post Jan 29 2013, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jan 28 2013, 08:53 PM) *
u know...i can agree with that and i'm probably going to say something that is going to piss a few ppl off, but i believe that is race based. lin is a talented asian player, pac is a talented asian boxer...as are the rest of the guys mentioned, but if they were black...they'd be held to a higher standard. u almost have to be exceptional to get the recognition u deserve...and even then, they still get shitted on by journalist and talking heads.

Bravo. Lebron comes to mind when I read that. The guy is so under appreciated, we've been spoiled by his phenomenal play that people just overlook it because he does it so commonly
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post Jan 29 2013, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 29 2013, 01:37 AM) *
Bravo. Lebron comes to mind when I read that. The guy is so under appreciated, we've been spoiled by his phenomenal play that people just overlook it because he does it so commonly



If LeBron was white his popularity with soccer moms would propell him to unbelievable heights. If Michael Jordan was white, same thing... Race plays a big part in popularity. Great example about Jeremy Linn. There are probably 10 or 11 black point guards in the league who put in similar or better work than Linn, but we dont know their names.
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