[gravytrain]

It is too late for Pul Williams to make the necessary adjustments to his technique. Even if he made little changes as soon as he is in a firefight he will revert back to his old ways.

even if Ray Arcel was still alive he couldn't change Williams, Williams is too caught up in his own shit to change. all he would do is fire them and go back to a yes-man. i see him cashing out on the Martinez rubber match or fighting a real easy fight before retiring. either way this guy is just an injury waiting to happen if he sticks around.

In the last 15 years? 20 years? I guess FMJ makes him great huh? lol

Dawson said he knew boxing but was a shitty trainer. he tries to train everyone the same way and is negative as hell. whether that's the case or not i don't know, i do know that Sr has done jack shit to be thought of as the guy to save someone's career.

Uncle Rog did just as much with Floyd & anyone could develop a fighter when he is their only client over a decade starting in childhood (see Enzo Calzaghe). Who else?

Roger has done more. it's not even a contest.

[D-MARV]

Roger has done more. it's not even a contest.

Roger will be remembered for being Floyd's Mit Man!

[Guest_Fitz_*]

If, let's say hypothetically, he would be willing to learn something new, who would be a good fit, or is it too late?

Without a doubt, Emmanuel Steward. Steward works well with tall fighters like Williams, and instructs them to use the basics, the only thing Williams really needs. Look at what Steward done with Wlad, and even with Wlad, you see Steward get pissed off for not opening up, and not going for it.
He wouldn't have that problem with Williams, he could train him to fight tall like he is supposed to, but unlike Wlad, Williams wouldn't be afraid to open up and go for it when the time is right, and scared of getting hit, so it's perfect for Steward, and will have all the benefits he has got from guys like Wlad, except without the frustration.

[Nay_Sayer]

Dawson said he knew boxing but was a shitty trainer.

If Floyd Sr. is such the shitty trainer then why did de la Hoya stick with him for so long?

Why has Chad looked like absolute shit since leaving Floyd?

[gravytrain]

Roger will be remembered for being Floyd's Mit Man!

mit man, check collector. shit he could even be Mr. Most People Don't Know. we see who's working the corner and who's working his value meal from Taco Bell on 24/7.

[gravytrain]

If Floyd Sr. is such the shitty trainer then why did de la Hoya stick with him for so long?

Why has Chad looked like absolute shit since leaving Floyd?

DLH? lol. like that's anything more than DLH just choosing to work with him. you can't possibly try to tell me Dawson has only looked bad because of Mayweather not being in his corner either. i would have taken Eddie Mustafa Muhhamad over him any day.

he did a lot of good for Hatton though, right? he's producing a lot of champions too.

[STEVENSKI]

BULLSHIT... LOL.

Uncle Rog's crackheaded ass ain't do shit!


Floyd Sr taught Floyd everything he knows... Sure, it's easy when you have God Given talent like Jr does... BUt if you go back and watch old films of Sr... you can see some of the things that Jr does now... Jr just does them 10x better!

Roger slaps those pads like a man possessed & that pad slapping has done more for PBF than any shoulder roll.

FLoyd does not (so far at least) show that classic Mayweather tendancy to have highlight reel beatings. One habit he should be happy he never picked up.

I don't rate Snr as a trainer. He knows boxing & all that but I am yet to see him train a fighter in any style other than his own limited style. Great trainers work with their fighters style rather than try & change fighters natural style.

If Floyd Sr. is such the shitty trainer then why did de la Hoya stick with him for so long?

Because he is a shitty fighter. All his best wins were before Snr took over the training.

[gravytrain]

Roger slaps those pads like a man possessed & that pad slapping has done more for PBF than any shoulder roll.

FLoyd does not (so far at least) show that classic Mayweather tendancy to have highlight reel beatings. One habit he should be happy he never picked up.

I don't rate Snr as a trainer. He knows boxing & all that but I am yet to see him train a fighter in any style other than his own limited style. Great trainers work with their fighters style rather than try & change fighters natural style.




Because he is a shitty fighter. All his best wins were before Snr took over the training.

i think DLH might just suffer from acute bitchassness and having some dude talk down to him might have been what he's been craving since his childhood. and since Sr's jaw muscles are more active than his brain he probably fit the bill pretty well.

[Box in Hand]

How about an Olympic Volleyball coach cause in boxing Paul ain't never gonna fix that leak in his defense. He doesn't even think he did anything wrong last night WTF? He should try another sport before he gets killed.

This post has been edited by Box in Hand: Jul 10 2011, 09:48 PM

[JLUVBABY]

no trainer can help williams at this point... the only thing a new trainer can do is get him hurt faster than he will be at the rate he's going... he'd find himself stuck between styles in a fight and knocked out... williams needs to retire while he's ahead..