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Nov 15 2010, 06:16 PM
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ON the edge Group: Members Posts: 9,331 Joined: 28-February 03 From: Poughkeepsie, NY Member No.: 240 |
My opinion is that Pacquiao's punching power is average; nothing more, nothing less. I actually posted this probably 2 years ago on here... I've gotta search and find the post. Anyhow, I see a lot of people write on here or in just every day conversation find people talking about Pacquiao being a big puncher. Or how he's carried some sort of above average punching power "up" with him through the divisions. I was of the opinion years ago and still am this his power is average. Pacquiao's speed is his power, always has been and always will be. Any time a guy can clip you with a shot you don't see coming or in Pacquiao's case a multiple shot combo that lands cleanly it's going to make an impact... and with Pacquiao's superior speed and footwork resulting in punches coming from unorthodox angles I think he produces the image of power moreso than raw, God given punching power. The way a magnifying glass makes something look bigger, I see Pacquiao's speed as being the magnifying glass for his apparent power.
Of course this is all open to opinion, and someone on here may define above average punching power differently than me. To me, above average punchers are not known just for 1 punch KOs (although they typically tend to pick them up along the way) but for being able to regularly hurt their opponents with single shots. They may not stop everyone with 1 or 2 shots (especially top level opposition or guys with granite chins) but when watching them you always have the feeling that 1 or 2 shots can really hurt their opponent or change the fight. Pacquiao to me has always been a guy that hurts guys over the course of multiple rounds, piling up cumulative damage and more often than not taking out them out late rather than early. Yes there are exceptions like the Hatton fight, but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of Compubox numbers, but for this exercise I think it helps me make a point. Take a guy like Shane Mosley. How do you rate his power at 147? I've never thought of Mosley above 135 as being much of a big puncher, and even at 135 the argument can be made that he was more of a volume/combination puncher than a raw power puncher. So my opinion is that Mosley's power at 147 is good, maybe slightly better than average. So then lets compare the Mosley-Margarito fight to the Pacquiao-Margarito fight in terms of damage. Mosley according to Compubox landed 118 power punches which stopped Margarito. Pacquiao was credited with 411 landed power punches on Margarito over 12 rounds who managed to stay on his feet. So Pacquiao got in almost 300 more shots, and as we saw these were CLEAN, CRISP power punches. Having taken that beating/stoppage from Mosley, one would only think Margarito would be easier to stop in the future. I'm in no way trying to take anything away from Pacquiao. In fact, I think it's even more impressive that he is able to dominate some of his opponents without being more than an average puncher in my opinion. What does everyone else think? |
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Nov 15 2010, 06:31 PM
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Junior Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,410 Joined: 9-April 08 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 7,195 |
I think Pacquiao is death by a thousand paper cuts. He knocked the hell out of Hatton but other than that he overwhelmes opponents and bust them up. His power comes from speed and angels but he is no 1 punch KO guy.
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Nov 15 2010, 06:39 PM
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Amateur Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 21-February 10 Member No.: 10,780 |
I agree he's not a big puncher as he appears to be sometimes, However his straight left land is his best shot and carries some extra power in it, Only because he throws his whole body weight when he launches his straight left land. Though the rest is just carried by speed with average power.
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Nov 15 2010, 06:54 PM
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Lightweight Group: Members Posts: 962 Joined: 28-September 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 6,263 |
It's a misconception, Pacquiao's never been a one punch hitter he uses his aggression, punch output, speed and stamina to break u down that's why his opponents end up quitting and what not. Alot of his opponents have said that they could handle his power, but his speed was the big thing and how he comes in from every angle it's overwhelming
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Nov 15 2010, 07:36 PM
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Featherweight Group: Members Posts: 538 Joined: 11-December 04 Member No.: 1,341 |
After the 3rd rounds Margarito told his corner that he can't hurt me and then went and got the hell beat out of him in the 4th.
So in a sense you're right that he isn't a one punch ko guy, but those guys a few and far between. But you can't seperate his speed and power. |
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Nov 15 2010, 08:39 PM
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Super Featherweight Group: Members Posts: 653 Joined: 11-April 10 Member No.: 10,849 |
The semi-idiots (semi because they're also semi-genius for overanalyzing things) actually think that Mosley's demolition is better BECAUSE Mosley knocked Margarito out while Pac couldn't. Hey! Even Donaire couldn't even knock out a bum who outweighed him.
I agree with Brutal that it's even more impressive that Pac is able to dominate some of his opponents without being more than an average puncher. Couple with the fact that Pac loves to trade and will let his opponents occasionally hit him with their best shots flush. It's the fault of his opponents if they couldn't knock him out. |
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Nov 15 2010, 09:06 PM
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ON the edge Group: Members Posts: 9,331 Joined: 28-February 03 From: Poughkeepsie, NY Member No.: 240 |
The semi-idiots (semi because they're also semi-genius for overanalyzing things) actually think that Mosley's demolition is better BECAUSE Mosley knocked Margarito out while Pac couldn't. Hey! Even Donaire couldn't even knock out a bum who outweighed him. I feel like Pacquiao could have stopped Margarito if he had gone for it in a few spots. It wouldn't have been the kind of stoppage Mosley got from landing power punches that took away Margarito's legs... it would have been more of the overwhelm with activity type where Pacquiao throws so many fast shots that Margarito can't even get off a shot of his own to prevent the ref from stepping in. In a 120-108 fight where a guy takes the abuse Margarito did and comes out looking completely disfigured, that's as good as a stoppage any day in my mind. |
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Nov 15 2010, 09:21 PM
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Super Featherweight Group: Members Posts: 653 Joined: 11-April 10 Member No.: 10,849 |
Yeah, Pac couldn't knock out Margarito. But I think he's ready to go in round 12. But it would have to be brutal and cold hearted.
To be fair. Pac knocked out Hatton cold but is his win any better than Floyd's. I don't think so. More spectacular, maybe. |
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Nov 15 2010, 09:45 PM
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Junior Middleweight Group: Team BU Posts: 2,498 Joined: 25-July 10 Member No.: 10,970 |
Yeah, Pac couldn't knock out Margarito. But I think he's ready to go in round 12. But it would have to be brutal and cold hearted. To be fair. Pac knocked out Hatton cold but is his win any better than Floyd's. I don't think so. More spectacular, maybe. That's the nature of boxing. Sounds like an awfully poor excuse as to why Pac couldn't get the stoppage against some bum with one eye. |
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Nov 15 2010, 09:45 PM
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Lightweight Group: Members Posts: 962 Joined: 28-September 07 From: Vancouver, BC Member No.: 6,263 |
Yeah, Pac couldn't knock out Margarito. But I think he's ready to go in round 12. But it would have to be brutal and cold hearted. To be fair. Pac knocked out Hatton cold but is his win any better than Floyd's. I don't think so. More spectacular, maybe. I think Pac's win was definitely better than Floyd's win over Hatton. First of all Hatton went up to 147, a weightclass he didn't have much success in to begin with and the bout was close for most of the first half with Hatton winning a few rounds and rocking Floyd early. Pac on the other hand, fought Hatton at his PRIME weightclass where he had never lost before and he was the undisputed king of the division. Hatton laid less of a finger on Pac than he did on Mayweather and Pac basically had his way and threw him around like Mayweather did to his ex-girlfriend... |
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