[Lil-lightsout]

I don't think he's overtaken Pacquiao yet but Williams beats everybody at welter(Mosley, Clotty Cotto and Floyd). He's too damn busy and too damn much of a physical freak for any of those guys. The welter division should be glad he's moved up.

The only question I have for Williams fighting at middleweight is how well he can take a middleweight punch. If he takes Pavlik's punch he beats Pavlik easy

PW just fought at MIDDLEWEIGHT! NO freaking way he sucks down to welterweight and fights that good. NO WAY! Who has he beat at WW? Margarito. I really hope he drops back down to WW and fights a Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, or a Floyd. He is not going to be that strong. Could he win? Sure, but it is not like he is unbeatable. Ask Quintana. And yes he has improved, but to say it is a foregone conclusion he can beat all 4 of those fighters is silly to me. I thought PW looked awesome tonight, and he is definately a force to be reckoned with at middleweight. When and if he drops all the way back down to WW, I would love him to fight any of those 4 fighters.

He has the talent to beat anyone at middleweight, but till he proves it against a Pavlik or Abraham, no way I will rate him higher yet after beating a older, rusty Winky. I give PW major props for wanting to fight the best, and prove himself. I just hope the elite(other champs) step up to the challenge and fight him. I wish boxing had more fighters with a PW mentality.

[D-MARV]

PWill still has a few fights before he gets that distinction. Problem is... who will he fight? Pavlik and Abraham are tied up for the year, Mosley wants no part of him at this stage of Shane's career, and I Cotto-Clottey are tied up too. I'm moving PWill from 10 to 5-6 on my lists.

PWill hs called out Hopkins too. If he gets Hopkins and beats him then PWill will have a case then.

[hardhead]

PW just fought at MIDDLEWEIGHT! NO freaking way he sucks down to welterweight and fights that good. NO WAY! Who has he beat at WW? Margarito. I really hope he drops back down to WW and fights a Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, or a Floyd. He is not going to be that strong. Could he win? Sure, but it is not like he is unbeatable. Ask Quintana. And yes he has improved, but to say it is a foregone conclusion he can beat all 4 of those fighters is silly to me. I thought PW looked awesome tonight, and he is definately a force to be reckoned with at middleweight. When and if he drops all the way back down to WW, I would love him to fight any of those 4 fighters.

He has the talent to beat anyone at middleweight, but till he proves it against a Pavlik or Abraham, no way I will rate him higher yet after beating a older, rusty Winky. I give PW major props for wanting to fight the best, and prove himself. I just hope the elite(other champs) step up to the challenge and fight him. I wish boxing had more fighters with a PW mentality.

I believe the first Quintana is/was a fluke and I don't really look at it too much anymore(not to mention I believe Williams has gotten a lot better since then). My statement is not a knock on any of those 4 guys I mentioned, I just think Williams flat out is too big of a physical freak and too much of an offensive machine for any welter. I think Floyd would have a small shot because he's more defensive and slick but this version(the version that fought Corrales could possibly beat him) of Floyd to me doesn't throw enough punches and lays on the ropes with his shoulder roll way too much. Floyd would land some counters on Williams but he doesn't have enough power to phase Williams enough and Williams would keep coming and punching from all different angles to outwork him(oh and Williams' stamina is ridiculous). However, since Williams has moved up to 160 I doubt many fans will clamor for Williams to fight any welters because they'll say he's not a "natural" welterweight, nor will most welters want to fight him because they already have less risky paydays. It is what it is and those guys already have big time fights without Williams. As long as he can make the WW comfortably he's whatever weight he's fighting at, and according to Williams and his camp he can still make the welterweight limit if the big fight is there. Look at his weight today, he weighed in at 157 and walked into the ring at 165 and had to eat like a motherfucker to get up to 160 in the first place. So to me, right now I don't think Williams would struggle to make WW because he hasn't grown into being a full fledged middle just yet. It may effect him later on if he stays at 160 and tries to drop but right now I think he could do it comfortably.

It's all moot anyway as I don't see him getting a fight with either of those 4(maybe Clotty, but Shane has already said he's not looking for that fight, I doubt Arum would risk Cotto and Floyd has a lot of other less risky options out there). Pavlik or Abraham seems like the next logical step for Williams.

This post has been edited by hardhead: Apr 12 2009, 11:44 AM

[JD]

LOL.

No, he isn't.

Top 10...yep. #1? Ehhh...no.

I love the post fight hysteria some guys go into...it is hilarious.

[salvador]

LOL.

No, he isn't.

Top 10...yep. #1? Ehhh...no.

I love the post fight hysteria some guys go into...it is hilarious.

Do you think Williams beats Floyd at 147? I do.

[JD]

Do you think Williams beats Floyd at 147? I do.

Yeah, I do.

The physical advantages are just way too much for even Floyd...but I also think Floyd far exceeds Williams on a P4P level. 147 is the absolute lightest Williams should ever be at...and 147 is the absolute heaviest Floyd should ever be at.

[D-MARV]

LOL.

No, he isn't.

Top 10...yep. #1? Ehhh...no.

I love the post fight hysteria some guys go into...it is hilarious.

LOL... yeah this fight isn't that surprising to me. I expected that type of performance from PWill against a 37 year old who has been off for 2 years. Im a fan of PWill but I won't blow this fight up. He has a few fights left before he claims the crown.

[salvador]

Yeah, I do.

The physical advantages are just way too much for even Floyd...but I also think Floyd far exceeds Williams on a P4P level. 147 is the absolute lightest Williams should ever be at...and 147 is the absolute heaviest Floyd should ever be at.

The lightest vs heaviest argument is reasonable.

But the idea that just because Floyd is faster, more coordinated, and overall just a better athelete doesn't make him a more formidable opponent p4p. Williams' freakish size and stamina make him a tougher fight on a p4p basis than just about anyone in the sport. Williams weighed in at 157 for this fight - so it's not like he's killing himself to make mw.

[D-MARV]

PWill owns Mayweather.

[JD]

The lightest vs heaviest argument is reasonable.

But the idea that just because Floyd is faster, more coordinated, and overall just a better athelete doesn't make him a more formidable opponent p4p. Williams' freakish size and stamina make him a tougher fight on a p4p basis than just about anyone in the sport. Williams weighed in at 157 for this fight - so it's not like he's killing himself to make mw.

No...he isn't at killing himself at all, but I really cannot think of one thing Paul Williams does better than Floyd Mayweather. He is just so much bigger. He throws a ton of punches...he has great stamina, but P4P I do not think he really compares to Floyd and his skill set. At 160, I don't think Williams beats Pavlik OR Abraham, but I know for damn sure he'd be willing to try.

I mean, if Juan Manuel Marquez fought Joshua Clottey at welterweight he would lose soundly - but it doesn't mean I think Clottey is better than him on a P4P basis.