[JLUVBABY]

it's a case of a huge mismatch where it wasn't going to be any competition at all. people can give it a chance all they want to but if they're not willing to lay some money on it then it's just talking. i really doubt anyone would have put money on Marquez over Mayweather, at most someone may have bet on the scores and given him a couple rounds.

Lemieux isn't all of a sudden a trash fighter, he's been. he just looked good because there was nobody in front of him. the Detroit Lions would look like the baddest motherfuckers in the NFL if they played against a high school team but that translates to nothing once they step it up. he's the potential to rebound since he's still young but i really doubt he'll beat any top 160 lber. Rubio is seasoned, i'm not denying that, but facts are facts and he hasn't had much opposition since his loss to Pavlik and on paper should have been an easy fight for Lemieux. i really just thought this would be about like Pac/Clottey but i'm happy to see Rubio stop Lemieux, hopefully the man starts fighting more because he can be competitive if he just doesn't let himself get outworked. Rubio coming in as a unranked 8/1 underdog wasn't unfair to him either and Lemieux and his team very much thought as this as just an easy way to a title.



if they increased his quality of opposition instead of giving him bums that didn't stand a chance he might not have got stopped by Rubio. all Lemieux and his team did was sandbag. you can't expect to get better at anything if you don't challenge yourself.

i don't see why people bring up Khan, they've about the same amount of fights but Khan already stepped it up and did it after getting his ass kicked. he called out Maidana and beat him. Lemieux has done what, fight a B fighter? Khan has done much more with his number of fights than Lemieux and will most likely be fighting Bradley while Lemieux is still fighting cab drivers. there's a chance Lemieux can rebound but i really don't see him ever living up to his hype or what he thought he was when he was beating up on cans.




maybe Canadian boxing, this cat wasn't doing anything for the sport. if anything he should have got some real challenges before even being able to fight in a title eliminator. Rubio might not attract flies but he sure can send fools running to their dressing room.

As far as the mayweather comparison... again... nobody really knew what type of mayweather we where going to see and yes some people did give marquez a chance and yes some did bet on marquez... i dont know about on this site if any one actually bet on marquez but he did get play at the casinos but the fact is in this sport a fighter of mayweathers status or any other fighter consider p4p or a great fighter for the time can on any given night be shocked and ko'd and or beaten by a lesser fighter thats figured by the general public to not be on that fighters level... the sport is full of those stories and the sport thrives off of those types of nights... upsets are very good for the sport and keeps interest in the sport... thats why there is betting on the fights with odds... chances decrease depending on who a certain fighter is facing or increase but i wouldnt care if mayweather stepped in the ring with vivian harris who just got stopped in one this past week... no matter how you try to twist it harris would have a chance in the fight till mayweather showed otherwise... im sure you will say mayweather wipes the floor with harris as most logical people would but truth is we dont know till they fight... at this particular time that wold be an assumption because the fight has not happened yet... they could fight and harris throws a fluke punch and ko mayweather... just saying... that is the point im trying to get you to see that nothing is a given in this sport till it actually goes down...

i used mayweather vs marquez as an example and i used khan cuzz its the perfect example of a highly touted contender getting beat in a pretty similar fashion to lemieux by a fighter that wasnt supposed to have a shot... up till that point you can argue khans level of opposition as well... matter of fact rubio was a much bigger name in boxing than prescott was... prescott was considered young and untested with a big punch and khan hadnt fought any real fighters up till that point... actually lemieux if you wantto compare the two has fought the better comp leading into his loss than khan did since you went there to compre the opponents.... rubio is a fighter we know of and is a solid veteran professional that showed this kid he still needed some growth before moving up anymore in the ranks as they where trying to do.... rubio was the perfect test for the kid and actually lemieux was winning the fight when he got caught... he was passing his test for the most part.. as far as who he has fought... he has shown a steady upgrade in opponents in his last 10 fights... they all had winning records (over the .500 mark) and most of them where very solid fighters with wining records... so i dont see the point you are trying to make calling his opponents cab drivers...

like i said before... lemieux being only 22 for sure can rebound and i wouldnt call him a bum just like i wont call kirkland a bum for the loss he took tonight... is kirkland all of a sudden a bum for the way he got destroyed tonight?.... if you consider lemieux a bum then kirkland surely is a bum as well if i am too judge off the logic you are using... matter a fact maidana can be labaled a bum as well cuzz most on this board figured morales was shot to shit and some even feared for his safety... so i guess maidana should be considered a bum too cuzz personally i thought morales gained a draw or it should have gone either way by a poit or two but a non bum would have and should have finished the washed up morales quick right?.. just saying man i dont know if you just have a HATE for lemieux or if you are just too critical of the guy in general but it happens... he took a minor step back... either way just try to remember he's still a kid... he has plenty of time to rebound and correct his mistakes... and to tell you if they work on the kids cardio and endurance id favor him over rubio in a rematch... you act like rubio dominated the dude the whole fight...

This post has been edited by JLUVBABY: Apr 10 2011, 03:29 AM

[Snoop]

Just watched the fight and my first impression is that Lemieux getting exposed is worlds apart from Kirkland getting exposed, as it seems some people are comparing the two. Lemieux's loss seemed to be a result of miscalculating the fight and underestimating his opponent. I also think he could have potentially survived being hurt but his corner probably thought it better to fight another day. But after reading some of the comments on this thread, it sounds like Lemieux was a cocky little shit so he probably got the humble pie he was asking for.

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Kirkland, on the other hand, got exposed for having no chin. Ain't much you can do about that except maybe learn how to protect that chin.

Either way, both these guys need to learn how to tie up a fighter when they're hurt and stop relying on their power/aggressiveness, but from what saw, Lemieux has a better chance of salvaging his career than Kirkland does. Maybe these two need to face each other in the ring.

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And BTW, wasn't the ref in that fight Marlon B Wright?

[mexi-cutioner]

GravyTrain's a hater! Lemieux will be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/good.gif) lol but in alll seriousness I had more faith in Lemieux coming up than when Bute, Pascal, Molitor, DIaconu and the other canucks in the game were coming up. Hopefully this loss serves as a goood lessson and he makes his way back up someday

This post has been edited by mexi-cutioner: Apr 10 2011, 06:34 PM

[gravytrain]

You clearly don't know much about Lemieux if you have a problem with the quality of oppositions. THe dude has been raised very well by his management team, just last year he fought aseasoned veteran in Walid Smichet and Hector Camacho Jr. and Elvin Ayala, a dude who drew with Sergio Mora and challenged Arthur Abraham for the title and went 12 rounds. Those dudes all have tons of experience and i don't know about ubut I wouldn't call a dude who challenges for a title and draws with world champs a taxi driver.

I bring up Khan cus Khan is a similar same case in point; he was knocked out by a huge underdog in a fight by a solid punch and every1 started coming out calling Khan overrated with a padded record who fought tomato cans and expired veterans. motherfuckers were judging a fighter's entire career and potential based on one fight....now he's got a world title and beating opposition that are way better and way heavier hitters than Prescott at lightweight. Difference between Lemieux and Khan in their losses is Khan was stopped by one punch and out, while Lemieux was dominating Rubio and looked like he was going to end the fight early till Rubio scored big with a solid punch but he was virtually down 6-1 on the cards. You act like Rubio wiped the floor with this kid when it was the other way around for the greater majority of the fight.

If filling up stadiums, generating solid revenue, getting views on national television and bringing excitement isn't good for boxing (only Canadian boxing) then what is good for boxing? You jus hatin' cus Canada actually support and stand behind their fighters and dish out some money to watch them on TV and in the stadiums, while alot of Americans either don't know or give a fuck about most of their fighters.

Ayala got knocked out against Abraham and really wasn't doing too well after the first few round of a fight Abraham always took off. once Abraham started fighting Abraham was winning and in round 12 he stopped him. he got a draw with Mora like 3 years prior to fighting Lemieux. after the loss and draw what did he do? same with the other fighters you mentioned. his management wanted to keep seeing the same early stoppages because that's what got Lemieux so much attention, they weren't worried about gradually increasing the quality of opposition. after Raines he should have stepped it up in the rankings but they just kept matching him up with fighters he should have and did end it early against.

Khan is overrated, Bradley is going to beat the brown off of him. Lemieux however wasn't looking so nice once Rubio started fighting in the 5th and was gradually broken down and beaten until it got stopped in round 7. this wasn't 1 shot, it's being in the ring with someone that turned out to be a live opponent.

Americans have a lot of options when it comes to boxing, all the real fighters want to make it here. domestic fighters and fighters from abroad get some attention from the boxing public here. Americans just can't get behind some Lemieux like fighter because we support guys that actually have enough balls to stay in the ring and do an interview after a loss (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) .

As far as the mayweather comparison... again... nobody really knew what type of mayweather we where going to see and yes some people did give marquez a chance and yes some did bet on marquez... i dont know about on this site if any one actually bet on marquez but he did get play at the casinos but the fact is in this sport a fighter of mayweathers status or any other fighter consider p4p or a great fighter for the time can on any given night be shocked and ko'd and or beaten by a lesser fighter thats figured by the general public to not be on that fighters level... the sport is full of those stories and the sport thrives off of those types of nights... upsets are very good for the sport and keeps interest in the sport... thats why there is betting on the fights with odds... chances decrease depending on who a certain fighter is facing or increase but i wouldnt care if mayweather stepped in the ring with vivian harris who just got stopped in one this past week... no matter how you try to twist it harris would have a chance in the fight till mayweather showed otherwise... im sure you will say mayweather wipes the floor with harris as most logical people would but truth is we dont know till they fight... at this particular time that wold be an assumption because the fight has not happened yet... they could fight and harris throws a fluke punch and ko mayweather... just saying... that is the point im trying to get you to see that nothing is a given in this sport till it actually goes down...

i used mayweather vs marquez as an example and i used khan cuzz its the perfect example of a highly touted contender getting beat in a pretty similar fashion to lemieux by a fighter that wasnt supposed to have a shot... up till that point you can argue khans level of opposition as well... matter of fact rubio was a much bigger name in boxing than prescott was... prescott was considered young and untested with a big punch and khan hadnt fought any real fighters up till that point... actually lemieux if you wantto compare the two has fought the better comp leading into his loss than khan did since you went there to compre the opponents.... rubio is a fighter we know of and is a solid veteran professional that showed this kid he still needed some growth before moving up anymore in the ranks as they where trying to do.... rubio was the perfect test for the kid and actually lemieux was winning the fight when he got caught... he was passing his test for the most part.. as far as who he has fought... he has shown a steady upgrade in opponents in his last 10 fights... they all had winning records (over the .500 mark) and most of them where very solid fighters with wining records... so i dont see the point you are trying to make calling his opponents cab drivers...

like i said before... lemieux being only 22 for sure can rebound and i wouldnt call him a bum just like i wont call kirkland a bum for the loss he took tonight... is kirkland all of a sudden a bum for the way he got destroyed tonight?.... if you consider lemieux a bum then kirkland surely is a bum as well if i am too judge off the logic you are using... matter a fact maidana can be labaled a bum as well cuzz most on this board figured morales was shot to shit and some even feared for his safety... so i guess maidana should be considered a bum too cuzz personally i thought morales gained a draw or it should have gone either way by a poit or two but a non bum would have and should have finished the washed up morales quick right?.. just saying man i dont know if you just have a HATE for lemieux or if you are just too critical of the guy in general but it happens... he took a minor step back... either way just try to remember he's still a kid... he has plenty of time to rebound and correct his mistakes... and to tell you if they work on the kids cardio and endurance id favor him over rubio in a rematch... you act like rubio dominated the dude the whole fight...

i know nothing is a given in this sport but boxing is also filled with mismatches because mismatches still get the fighter and promoter paid, they could even get a title out of it[Alvarez]. it'd be like if Mayweather actually fought Spadafora, that shit is purely easy money and low risk/high reward.

records don't mean shit, how you beat them and the quality of opposition is everything. Lemieux's last 10 were largely domestic fighters fighting poor opposition in their home country and a lot had losses going into the fight. some even had losses by stoppage and KO going into it. a guy like his previous opponent Purnell Gates last 5 opponents were 27-65-3 and dude is in his late 30s. this wasn't just Lemieux getting caught either, Lemieux was getting roughed up in the 6th and got stopped in the 7th.

Kirkland was a hot prospect before but he did nothing to show he's back and got stopped. he's officially bum status. same with Lemieux, he got an opponent that took the fight to him in the middle part of the fight and folded. he might have won the first 5 but the 6th on was a fight and we saw how long it lasted.

Just watched the fight and my first impression is that Lemieux getting exposed is worlds apart from Kirkland getting exposed, as it seems some people are comparing the two. Lemieux's loss seemed to be a result of miscalculating the fight and underestimating his opponent. I also think he could have potentially survived being hurt but his corner probably thought it better to fight another day. But after reading some of the comments on this thread, it sounds like Lemieux was a cocky little shit so he probably got the humble pie he was asking for.

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Kirkland, on the other hand, got exposed for having no chin. Ain't much you can do about that except maybe learn how to protect that chin.

Either way, both these guys need to learn how to tie up a fighter when they're hurt and stop relying on their power/aggressiveness, but from what saw, Lemieux has a better chance of salvaging his career than Kirkland does. Maybe these two need to face each other in the ring.

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And BTW, wasn't the ref in that fight Marlon B Wright?

i think it's hard to compare the 2. Lemieux was freer than braless tits and Kirkland had legal troubles that held him back from his boxing career, Lemieux's freedom gave him a lot more opportunities to grow as a fighter and refine his craft. staying out of the gym and out of the ring for a year is going to make you've some serious ring rust too. i'm not saying i called the upset with Kirkland but it's not like he didn't spend a year away from boxing while still being a developing fighter.

[mexi-cutioner]

Ayala got knocked out against Abraham and really wasn't doing too well after the first few round of a fight Abraham always took off. once Abraham started fighting Abraham was winning and in round 12 he stopped him. he got a draw with Mora like 3 years prior to fighting Lemieux. after the loss and draw what did he do? same with the other fighters you mentioned. his management wanted to keep seeing the same early stoppages because that's what got Lemieux so much attention, they weren't worried about gradually increasing the quality of opposition. after Raines he should have stepped it up in the rankings but they just kept matching him up with fighters he should have and did end it early against.

Khan is overrated, Bradley is going to beat the brown off of him. Lemieux however wasn't looking so nice once Rubio started fighting in the 5th and was gradually broken down and beaten until it got stopped in round 7. this wasn't 1 shot, it's being in the ring with someone that turned out to be a live opponent.

Americans have a lot of options when it comes to boxing, all the real fighters want to make it here. domestic fighters and fighters from abroad get some attention from the boxing public here. Americans just can't get behind some Lemieux like fighter because we support guys that actually have enough balls to stay in the ring and do an interview after a loss (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) .






i know nothing is a given in this sport but boxing is also filled with mismatches because mismatches still get the fighter and promoter paid, they could even get a title out of it[Alvarez]. it'd be like if Mayweather actually fought Spadafora, that shit is purely easy money and low risk/high reward.

records don't mean shit, how you beat them and the quality of opposition is everything. Lemieux's last 10 were largely domestic fighters fighting poor opposition in their home country and a lot had losses going into the fight. some even had losses by stoppage and KO going into it. a guy like his previous opponent Purnell Gates last 5 opponents were 27-65-3 and dude is in his late 30s. this wasn't just Lemieux getting caught either, Lemieux was getting roughed up in the 6th and got stopped in the 7th.

Kirkland was a hot prospect before but he did nothing to show he's back and got stopped. he's officially bum status. same with Lemieux, he got an opponent that took the fight to him in the middle part of the fight and folded. he might have won the first 5 but the 6th on was a fight and we saw how long it lasted.



i think it's hard to compare the 2. Lemieux was freer than braless tits and Kirkland had legal troubles that held him back from his boxing career, Lemieux's freedom gave him a lot more opportunities to grow as a fighter and refine his craft. staying out of the gym and out of the ring for a year is going to make you've some serious ring rust too. i'm not saying i called the upset with Kirkland but it's not like he didn't spend a year away from boxing while still being a developing fighter.

Mr. Lemieux hater, i'm quoting u on that Khan getting the brown beaten off of him by Bradley, I have it the other way around. Would u like to make a wager on it????

[caneman]

No matter what, at least he didn't fold like a chair by glancing punches like Kirkland! He can adjust & come back...Kirkland either took a fix or is a str8 bitch!

[The Ollie Reed F...]

I think Lemieux can come back, unlike Kirkland he was in with decent opposition and held his own to some extent.

He is young, unpolished and can improve but these are the least of his worries. What concerns me more is the lack of 'dog' he showed when he got hurt. Earlier I compared him to Nigel Benn in style, mainly the way he pivots when he throws those hooks to the body. But what he didn't show that Benn did (as do all the greats) was that ability to bite down and fight back hard when he gets hurt.

I don't think this can be learned either, it is within the fighter's character or it isn't. His body language became very submissive, even between rounds and also at the end when his corner stopped it. He just looked mildly disappointed. I know it's a tough sport, but the way you react when you get hurt is what seperates the men from the boys. I'm not sure I saw enough fight in Lemieux when it counted and I bet future opponents will pick up on it as well.

Maybe it's all been a little but easy for him, the kid obviously possess some power, has a fun style is young and has a solid fan base both male and female, right SENTRAL? haha (the first black James bond will be next .)

Could be he's just a smoke and mirrors job, but I still say has more potential than Kirkland. Probably a staple on Friday night Fights for years to come.

[gravytrain]

No matter what, at least he didn't fold like a chair by glancing punches like Kirkland! He can adjust & come back...Kirkland either took a fix or is a str8 bitch!

i think he needed a loss to be honest, his ego was out of control and he just didn't have the record to back up his claims. break down Martinez and stop him? LOL. not to mention he was thinking Rubio would be a pushover. i think it's just too comfortable for him before, he's a guy 25-0 selling out an arena because people wanted to see him taking guys out early. now i think they match him more evenly so he can actually put some rounds in and learn. i think he'll have some really tough fights with the current crop of MWS, the top ones anyway, but he could possibly beat someone at the top but not Maravilla.

i think Kirkland just thought it's going to be way too easy and walked into punches.

Mr. Lemieux hater, i'm quoting u on that Khan getting the brown beaten off of him by Bradley, I have it the other way around. Would u like to make a wager on it????

if you want to sig bet i'll do it. the money would be nice but I'd rather have your avatar as a gif of Lemieux getting stopped.

[JLUVBABY]

i know nothing is a given in this sport but boxing is also filled with mismatches because mismatches still get the fighter and promoter paid, they could even get a title out of it[Alvarez]. it'd be like if Mayweather actually fought Spadafora, that shit is purely easy money and low risk/high reward.

records don't mean shit, how you beat them and the quality of opposition is everything. Lemieux's last 10 were largely domestic fighters fighting poor opposition in their home country and a lot had losses going into the fight. some even had losses by stoppage and KO going into it. a guy like his previous opponent Purnell Gates last 5 opponents were 27-65-3 and dude is in his late 30s. this wasn't just Lemieux getting caught either, Lemieux was getting roughed up in the 6th and got stopped in the 7th.

Kirkland was a hot prospect before but he did nothing to show he's back and got stopped. he's officially bum status. same with Lemieux, he got an opponent that took the fight to him in the middle part of the fight and folded. he might have won the first 5 but the 6th on was a fight and we saw how long it lasted.

i see you are stuck in your opinion and it is much respected... its yours... i will respectfully disagree... 1 loss doesnt put a fighter into bum status in my view but hey... you have your own views on how things roll... lol.... we all do for that matter... just as the case of mayweather and spad... yeah id pick mayweather to win all day long if they fight but i wont call it a win till they fight, the final bell sounds and mays hand is raised in victory... anything can happen with those 12 rounds or less of action...

[mexi-cutioner]

if you want to sig bet i'll do it. the money would be nice but I'd rather have your avatar as a gif of Lemieux getting stopped.

Deal, and if Khan beats Bradley, you've gotta make the pic posted as your avatar and your signature has to be "David Lemieux #1 P4P fighter in the world from the #1 P4P Country in the world! OH CANADA!!!! <3 <3 <3"

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This post has been edited by mexi-cutioner: Apr 11 2011, 02:39 AM