[boxingloner]

Hey guy, troll harder, please.

Do YOU know what Autism is? A boxer with Autism could have a hard time working with his trainer and crew.

If you think someone with autism can box, then that shows me that you have no clue what autism is.

This post has been edited by boxingloner: Jun 29 2012, 10:42 AM

[sduck]

I know what autism is. My nephew suffers from that very very sad disorder. There is no way a person with autism can box. Do you know someone who boxes and has autism?

You just never know dude.

[sduck]

If you think someone with autism can box, then that shows me that you have no clue what autism is.

People with Autism have natural self-worth and no communication skills. That doesn't limit your ability to be a boxer.

[Cshel86]

People with Autism have natural self-worth and no communication skills. That doesn't limit your ability to be a boxer.

Thank you. Most of them are actually talented.

[boxingloner]

If a fighter decides to smoke marijuana (if they feel they cant go without it), then so be it. It will only nullify THEIR fight game, not the other fighter. NOW, if a fighter decides to take drugs that will enhance his strength and actually pose more danger to the guy that he's sharing the ring with, then THAT'S a problem.

Boxing is a dangerous sport, as both fighters should know from day 1. If a fighter decides to put himself at more risk than is already present, then so be it. It cant be worse than fighter with bad (or no) defense, that refuses to change his style. Who cares...

All drugs should be banned. Weed and all. You make my point about that weed will nullify a fighter abilities. If that fighter who smokes weed and says i don't give a fuck if I'm compromising myself and my abilities, and says fuck it. If that fighter isn't going to look out for his best interest and most important his health, who is? If We the fans say fuck it if he smokes weeds and wants to compromise his health in the ring that's his problem, we are some fucked up fans. I want a even playing field at all times. If that fighter is to stoned to protect himself and his health then he should be banned and not box. Weed and all drugs have no place in boxing.

[boxingloner]

People with Autism have natural self-worth and no communication skills. That doesn't limit your ability to be a boxer.

People with autism are very talented no question about it. But show me where there was a boxer with autism. They wouldn't get licensed.

[Cshel86]

All drugs should be banned. Weed and all.

Dont forget about masking agents.

You make my point about that weed will nullify a fighter abilities.

You did make a good point.

If that fighter who smokes weed and says i don't give a fuck if I'm compromising myself and my abilities, and says fuck it. If that fighter isn't going to look out for his best interest and most important his health, who is?

Good question, but the answer is, THE FIGHTER. If the trainer is bound to make some good money off of the fighter, then that often produces the "oh well, Im going to get paid after the fight is over" mentality. Again, if the fighter doesn't care, then us fans and everyone around him can have all the care in the world, but there's nothing that we can do about it.

If We the fans say fuck it if he smokes weeds and wants to compromise his health in the ring that's his problem, we are some fucked up fans.

Nope, speak for yourself. I could care less, and I'll stand on that. The only reason that I feel THAT way is because, as you mentioned, THE FIGHTER himself doesn't care, so why should we? We dont get paid to be overly concerned about another grown and sometimes overpaid fighter, who doesn't care about his own health. Ever heard of spinning your wheels?

Another point is, us rational boxing fans actually deserve more credit for being fans of a sport who could care less about what we want. Think about it, how many times do we get the fights that we really want to see? How many times do robberies happen, in order for an agenda to be fulfilled? How many times (as the boxing fan that you say you are) have you settled for this nonsense, out of pure hope that things will get better? How long have you been waiting for change? But we're fucked up fans, right?

[boxingloner]

Dont forget about masking agents.





Nope, speak for yourself. I could care less, and I'll stand on that. The only reason that I feel THAT way is because, as you mentioned, THE FIGHTER himself doesn't care, so why should we? We dont get paid to be overly concerned about another grown and sometimes overpaid fighter, who doesn't care about his own health. Ever heard of spinning your wheels?

So you dont believe in protecting boxers and having a even playing field. Yea its easy to say if that fighter doesnt give a fuck then i dont give a fuck either. But if you want a great sport where everyone is on the same level then you would care if that fighter was stoned. All Im saying is if that fighter is to stoned to know better than to look out for his health then he shouldnt be fighting. I understand that many people smoke weed these days and dont think it no big deal. I use to smoke it everyday for 15 years and thought it was not a problem. Its only when i stopped did i realise that i was holding myself back on a lot of things and i didnt realise that because i was always stoned. So if a boxer isnt going to protect himself because he is to stoned then I think they shouldnt be boxing becasue they are not in there right mind. But to each fan there own. But give me a clean honest and true fighter

Look one of my favorite fighter was Emmanuel Agustas. He was a very good fighter, but a known big weed smoker. He had lots of potential and skill. But it went to waste. IMO if weed wasnt part of his life, i really think his abilities would have been that much greater and his career much better. Because of weed his talents went to waste so to speak. He could have been a world champion. Weed makes a fighter lazy lathargic and not train as hard if you werent smoking. And if you look at Agustas he had great ability but in the ring he was sometime lazy, lathargic and you could tell he didnt train like he should have. Its sad if you ask me.

[Cheesey1]

Fine, no chronic. I'm not going to get into the apples and oranges comparisons between that and p.e.d.s., apart from them both being labelled "drugs."

Tarver stays off Showtime then.

[Cshel86]

So you dont believe in protecting boxers and having a even playing field. Yea its easy to say if that fighter doesnt give a fuck then i dont give a fuck either. But if you want a great sport where everyone is on the same level then you would care if that fighter was stoned. All Im saying is if that fighter is to stoned to know better than to look out for his health then he shouldnt be fighting. I understand that many people smoke weed these days and dont think it no big deal. I use to smoke it everyday for 15 years and thought it was not a problem. Its only when i stopped did i realise that i was holding myself back on a lot of things and i didnt realise that because i was always stoned. So if a boxer isnt going to protect himself because he is to stoned then I think they shouldnt be boxing becasue they are not in there right mind. But to each fan there own. But give me a clean honest and true fighter

Look one of my favorite fighter was Emmanuel Agustas. He was a very good fighter, but a known big weed smoker. He had lots of potential and skill. But it went to waste. IMO if weed wasnt part of his life, i really think his abilities would have been that much greater and his career much better. Because of weed his talents went to waste so to speak. He could have been a world champion. Weed makes a fighter lazy lathargic and not train as hard if you werent smoking. And if you look at Agustas he had great ability but in the ring he was sometime lazy, lathargic and you could tell he didnt train like he should have. Its sad if you ask me.

Honestly my man, you're fighting an uphill battle. You make some pretty good points, but again, you're fighting an uphill battle. Point is, boxing is better off with no leadership, than the shitty example of what we witness today.

No way in hell we can have a clean sport, and I've learned to accept that. Does that make me a fucked up fan? Depends. I know that Im not wasting my breath on things that wont change, especially when there's money involved...money that I dont have to make a difference.

I know this all sounds bad, but it's the truth. As a boxing fan, you have to be okay with what's given to you, or make lemonade when they give you lemons (so to speak). I use that analogy for bad matchups or not-so-great matchups. As for the sport being clean, again, when people in the background are getting a cut (money) of the action, then there's not much we can do.

Kill me for using this example, but here we go. Imagine if Manny was using, do you honestly think anyone would blow the whistle? I use Manny as an example because so many people make money off him, the same can be said about Floyd as well. Difference is, there are people making money off of Manny, and he either doesn't know, or has came to the conclusion that he cant do much. Sad, but true...

Now, who in the hell is going to speak up about when they can make thousands of dollars under the table? That goes for refs, officials, ring doctors, etc. If those guys are getting broke off let's say, anywhere from $10-$15k more than what they're used to getting when Manny fights, then whose really going to spill the beans? Manny cant fight forever, and it may very well be a loooong time before fighters generate that much money and even the crumb-snatchers of the show can get a cut.