[JonnyBlaze]

Castillo was good and very underrated but he's not better P4P than Trinidad. Hell, if memory serves me correctly the highest he ever got to the list was in the lower 10. Trinidad for a while was in the top 3. Trinidad's victories over Whitaker and DLH alone trump anything Castillo accomlished and that was a lot.

I should clarify that..I think Castillo had more skills than Trinidad..I'm not talking the actual P4P rankings..Yet,my opinion is biased on Trinidad if ya all haven't noticed..I'm not a fan of his and never was..

[Mean Mister Must...]

I should clarify that..I think Castillo had more skills than Trinidad..I'm not talking the actual P4P rankings..Yet,my opinion is biased on Trinidad if ya all haven't noticed..I'm not a fan of his and never was..

I agree, Castillo had very underrated countepunching skills. Very good timing too. Mayweather had to dig deep to get those 2 wins against him. Too bad that Castillo's skills eroded. He still has that world class chin and hook to the body but his speed and reflexes are done.

I never rooted for Trinidad either but no I respect him because he fought everybody. Campas, Camacho, Whitaker, DLH, Pineda, Reid, Vargas, Joppy, Hopkins, Mayorga, Wright, Jones.

[JonnyBlaze]

I agree, Castillo had very underrated countepunching skills. Very good timing too. Mayweather had to dig deep to get those 2 wins against him. Too bad that Castillo's skills eroded. He still has that world class chin and hook to the body but his speed and reflexes are done.

I never rooted for Trinidad either but no I respect him because he fought everybody. Campas, Camacho, Whitaker, DLH, Pineda, Reid, Vargas, Joppy, Hopkins, Mayorga, Wright, Jones.

After the fights with Corrales,you could only expect their skills to be eroded..Both Corrales and Castillo were both done after their fights..It was amazing stuff in the first fight..

No doubt Trinidad never backed down from anyone and wanted everyone..If he were around in any era,he'd always want the best and would of ended up with an amazing resume(names) but I don't know how well he'd do..The B-Hop fight showed what a very smart thinking fighter can do to someone with that kind of style..Thinkers are the top elites in boxing..History tells us that and today's fighters tell us that..

[Thegreatequalize...]

i think i have to go with mayweather. he's undefeated and even though he did some cherry picking did usually fight top guys (not at 140 though).

hopkins lost twice to taylor, who is not a hall of famer. even though they were close, he still lost basically. until floyd loses i'd find it hard to pick hopkins resume.

[JLUVBABY]

i give hopkins the edge cuzz early in his reign he blitzed guys that have been forgotten like joe lipsey that he knocked out.. john david jackson he k.o'd... a glenn johnson that is not the same fighter as he is today but he beat him he's better now... robert allen syd vanderpool echols holmes eastman where all good solid fighters when he fought and beat them... his reign at middleweight was very solid... mayweather could have had the same type of reign but he moved up which is what makes his career a little clouded... but no doubt he is as good as a prime hopkins... hopkins is not as good as he was 10 years ago... shows how good he really was... prime hopkins had killer instinct and would have chopped down calzaghe...

This post has been edited by JLUVBABY: May 15 2009, 05:41 PM

[JLUVBABY]

i think i have to go with mayweather. he's undefeated and even though he did some cherry picking did usually fight top guys (not at 140 though).

hopkins lost twice to taylor, who is not a hall of famer. even though they were close, he still lost basically. until floyd loses i'd find it hard to pick hopkins resume.

you can argue that hopkins vs. taylor is 1 and 1 but hopkins was an old man also.... no way jermain taylor beats the hopkins of the late 90's.... he gets ko'd and the fight is not even close... hokins changed his fighting style to prolong his career...

[D-MARV]

The reason why I made this tread is because most people will take Hopkins at first glance. But when you sit down and think about it, it's a lot closer than you think.

[rusty_trombone]

yeah, gotta go with hopkins

[King Eugene]

Its pretty even to me.

[D-MARV]

Bernard Hopkins. It's easy for people to take Hopkins for granted, but if you really sit down and think about it and see what Hopkins has been doing in his 40's. It's really been impressive. Like I have said, it's not like Foreman or some other guys that won in there 40's who had dropped considerably and got by on power or something like Foreman. He is actually still beating world class fighters and is still as sound as any world class fighter out there. At his age, he SHOULDN'T be beating the world class fighters he is beating, he shouldn't even be very competitive. Most fighters would have start losing and going down in skill maybe 7-8 years ago and he is still doing what he is doing. I don't think anybody will do what Hopkins is doing at his age in the quality he is doing it in.

What Hopkins has done at this age is phenominal.