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mgrover
post May 21 2013, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 01:36 AM) *
with the new wbc rules about rehydration limits...i think chavez is going to be forced to move up.

there's still dirrell and bute. oh...and a few undefeated up-and-comers.

i'd love to see the ggg fight before he moves up.


wheres Dirrell? and Bute really? After what Froch did to him?
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post May 21 2013, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ May 21 2013, 09:51 AM) *
Seems as if the Ring Magazine championship has become the most respected and universally recognized belt anyway.


not really.
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post May 21 2013, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ May 21 2013, 11:02 AM) *
wheres Dirrell? and Bute really? After what Froch did to him?


maybe it is time to move up?
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post May 21 2013, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 06:12 PM) *
maybe it is time to move up?


I think it is tbh, fight Dawson and then try to get Hopkins, then whoevers knocking about, aka Cleverly, maybe Pascal.
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post May 21 2013, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 21 2013, 01:12 PM) *
not really.


May have to disagree with you on this one. At least right now, their belt holders seem to be in line with the (subjectively speaking) "true" champions.

HW- Wlad
LtHW- Chad Dawson
SMW- Andre Ward
MW- Sergio Martinez
JMW- Saul Alvarez
WW- Money
JWW- Danny Garcia
LW- JMM (just moved up and out)
FW- Mickey Garcia

If I had to make a list of all my number 1's, with the exception of LW, this would pretty much be my list.
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post May 21 2013, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ May 21 2013, 08:51 AM) *
Seems as if the Ring Magazine championship has become the most respected and universally recognized belt anyway.



Used to be until Golden Boy bought it out. Now it's just a Jim Lamply pom-pom clinic for popular fighters. What I don't like about Ring titles is that you can sit on your belt FOREVER and never defend it and be called a champion until you retire. Does RING have any stripping policy? The other thing is that if Ring really wants credibility, FORCE the fighters to fight the fights on the network based on Ring Ratings. Ring has no authority or sanctioning legislation to make the fights happen in the ratings and champions that they promote. In other words, Ring can't mandate title fights and make them happen. If they could, they would be a serious threat to Alphabet Federation Belts, but they don't, so its just a manazine ratings system.

It's not like back in the 20-70's when Ring Champions fought ring contenders. Make that happen, than the magazine and Ring belt will have legitimacy again.

Jack
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post May 21 2013, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ May 21 2013, 03:47 PM) *
May have to disagree with you on this one. At least right now, their belt holders seem to be in line with the (subjectively speaking) "true" champions.

HW- Wlad
LtHW- Chad Dawson
SMW- Andre Ward
MW- Sergio Martinez
JMW- Saul Alvarez
WW- Money
JWW- Danny Garcia
LW- JMM (just moved up and out)
FW- Mickey Garcia

If I had to make a list of all my number 1's, with the exception of LW, this would pretty much be my list.


this list is impressive...but so long as the magazine is owned and influenced by gbp...it will always be suspect.
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post May 21 2013, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 21 2013, 04:12 PM) *
Used to be until Golden Boy bought it out. Now it's just a Jim Lamply pom-pom clinic for popular fighters. What I don't like about Ring titles is that you can sit on your belt FOREVER and never defend it and be called a champion until you retire. Does RING have any stripping policy? The other thing is that if Ring really wants credibility, FORCE the fighters to fight the fights on the network based on Ring Ratings. Ring has no authority or sanctioning legislation to make the fights happen in the ratings and champions that they promote. In other words, Ring can't mandate title fights and make them happen. If they could, they would be a serious threat to Alphabet Federation Belts, but they don't, so its just a manazine ratings system.

It's not like back in the 20-70's when Ring Champions fought ring contenders. Make that happen, than the magazine and Ring belt will have legitimacy again.

Jack


this. well said jack.
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post May 22 2013, 11:44 AM
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In the words of Bnoles4life...the WBC stand for, "Wow...a Black Champion?"
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post May 22 2013, 02:01 PM
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a different perspective....

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With all due respect to Andre’s opinions and feelings, it is imperative that the WBC clarifies to the public the chain of events that led to Ward’s designation as WBC Emeritus World Champion .



THE SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT SUPER 6 TOURNAMENT

From 2009 through the end of 2011, the WBC fully supported the super middleweight Super Six World Boxing Classic tournament. The WBC’s support was conditioned on the organizers allowing the full participation of the WBC Champion clearly stating on all communications that when the tournament was over, the WBC Champion was required to make a mandatory defense. On December 17, 2011, Ward won the Super Six tournament and the WBC Super Middleweight World Championship.

THE FIRST ORDER FOR MANDATORY DEFENSE

In the spring of 2012, the WBC ordered Ward to make a mandatory defense of his WBC title against Anthony Dirrell. Soon thereafter, Dirrell was involved in a motorcycle accident, which freed the mandatory commitment at that time. In an effort to keep the division active, the WBC agreed to sanction Ward’s fight against WBC Light Heavyweight Champion Chad Dawson as a voluntary defense of Ward’s title with the condition that the winner would make the mandatory defense in his next fight.

WBC ORDERED FINAL ELIMINATION TO DETERMINE THE MANDATORY CONTENDER

In October of 2012, the WBC ordered that the highest rated available boxers in the super middleweight division participate in a final elimination match. In December of 2012, during the WBC annual convention, the final elimination fight between Sakio Bika and Nikola Sjekloca was ratified, with the winner becoming the mandatory challenger for the world title.

WBC ACCEPTED TO SANCTION WARD VS PAVLIK VOLUNTARY DEFENSE

During the convention, the WBC approved the Ward versus Pavlik fight as a voluntary defense of Ward’s title. The winner of that fight would then face the mandatory contender without any intervening defenses.

WARD SUSTAINED AN INJURY WHICH LEADS TO SURGERY

In January of 2013, Ward underwent surgery to repair his injured shoulder and issued a press release announcing he would be unable to fight for an indefinite period of time.

BIKA BECAME MANDATORY CONTENDER

Bika became the mandatory challenger by beating Sjekloca on February 16 2013.

WBC ORDERED WARD VS BIKA FOR THE MANDATORY DEFENSE

On February 21, the WBC ordered free negotiations for the mandatory defense between Ward vs Bika. A reminder letter was sent on March 5.

WBC VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DESIGNATE WARD CHAMPION EMERITUS

In light of his indefinite incapacity, and the fact that the WBC has never received Ward’s medical clearance or a definite availability date, on March 23, 2013, the WBC designated Ward as the Emeritus World Champion by sending him a letter. The WBC announced that designation via a press release on April 9, 2013.

As the WBC Rules & Regulations clearly recognize, all World Champions enjoy many benefits, but also have obligations. Even the greatest WBC World Champions are called to honor their commitments to the WBC and to the fans by facing their mandatory challengers in a timely fashion. Floyd Mayweather just fulfilled his mandatory obligation facing Robert Guerrero, Klitschko will fight Bermane Stiverne, who is the mandatory challenger, just to give a couple of current examples.

The WBC granted the Emeritus Championship designation as a way to honor Andre Ward, and to give him sufficient time to recover from his injury while keeping the division active. The facts are clear: he boxed once in 2012, his last fight was nine months ago, and he has not been able to indicate when will he be ready to return to the ring .

The WBC continues to support Andre Ward and considers him a great champion. The WBC wishes Andre a prompt recovery and much success in his return to boxing and in his work as a boxing analyst.


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