[BGv2.0]

I don't feel the same way about the situation and I don't feel in principal they are pretty well the same. Not at all.

And I don't feel like explaining my feelings either. Sorry.

Sure they are.


If a man quits in the ring because he cannot figure out a solution to his opponent or he feels he has suffered enough...he quits.

Suicide is very much that same prinicipal except the "ring" in that senerio is actually life and the fight is every day living.

I'm not trying to get into some huge moral debate on suicide....I just don't comprehend why one guy is looked down upon while the other is praised....IMHO Arguello lost the much bigger more important fight.....and he did so by saying "no mas".

[rusty_trombone]

yeah, i don't think giving up in a prizefight is equivalent to giving up on life. shit, quitting in a prize fight is like quitting a job, who hasn't done that before? Ortiz got paid to fight, he decided he didn't want to. As a promoter, I just wouldn't hire him again.

[rusty_trombone]

Sure they are.


If a man quits in the ring because he cannot figure out a solution to his opponent or he feels he has suffered enough...he quits.

Suicide is very much that same prinicipal except the "ring" in that senerio is actually life and the fight is every day living.

I'm not trying to get into some huge moral debate on suicide....I just don't comprehend why one guy is looked down upon while the other is praised....IMHO Arguello lost the much bigger more important fight.....and he did so by saying "no mas".

"In principal" they might be the same thing, but fo you t not take into account varying degrees or levels of importance, and the factors that go into each decision, they are starkly different. Yes, both are decisions to give up, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. God, I am glad you are not a judge, because you would be a shitty one.

[JD]

If someone takes their life, they are obviously ill. It is human nature to fight to survive - to reach the point where you can actually pull the trigger and take your life, which goes against EVERYTHING human, you have to be horribly ill.


There is no parallel to quitting in a boxing match.

This is ridiculous.

[BGv2.0]

If someone takes their life, they are obviously ill. It is human nature to fight to survive - to reach the point where you can actually pull the trigger and take your life, which goes against EVERYTHING human, you have to be horribly ill.


There is no parallel to quitting in a boxing match.

This is ridiculous.

Ill.....or stealing other people's money?

In that case...being gay would make you "ill" too if you apply what you are saying to the situation.

And I myself don't think that taking your own life goes against EVERYTHING "human". Take for example the people that are terminal in extreme pain and know with 100% certainty they are going to die.....it's actually rational to take yourself out if you so choose.

It just seems to me like people that bash a kid for giving up in a fight yet somehow honor Arguello have a somewhat contradictory mind set in relation to "giving up"......one is awful...yet the other is sad and merits positive reflection on the person....

I myself don't take issue with either guy as one quit a fight for his own safety concerns and the other quit life for what ever reasons....it's their own choice....I just do not get the rational on the issue of "giving up" in relation to these situations....which I don't care what anybody says can very much be compared.

[STEVENSKI]

I can say with total honesty that I have never considered suicide from physical pain but have many times when depressed & in emotional pain.

[Big Slim Sweet]

Like Rusty said, if you're going to equate suicide to quitting in a fight, then what about people who quit their jobs, something the vast majority of us have done at one time or another? What about divorce, where one or both parties basically quit on their marriage? Or a student who drops a class? Or when you decide to give a new TV show a chance and then after a few minutes get bored and turn it off? Life is filled with choices. Suicide I suppose, at that final fateful moment, is a choice. I'm sure nearly every person who has ever committed suicide had thought of doing it before and chose not to. But everything that goes into that decision are totally and completely different.

[Spyder]

Someone give STEVENSKI a hug.

We all like you Steve. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/friends.gif)

[rusty_trombone]

I myself don't take issue with either guy as one quit a fight for his own safety concerns and the other quit life for what ever reasons....it's their own choice....I just do not get the rational on the issue of "giving up" in relation to these situations....which I don't care what anybody says can very much be compared.

Here's a simple exercise, on a piece of paper write down all of the reasons one would quit in a prizefight, then list the reasons(excluding terminal illness, since that's not really suicide if you are already terminal) then see how they match up. thank god i don't live in texas, is this the prevalent thinking there?

[BGv2.0]

I'm with Slim on this one. They are different. Sure you can say that a guy that kills himself quit. That's fair enough, but to suggest they are the same is ridiculous.

Not one time have I said they are one in the same. I said they are the same in PRINCIPAL.....which is nowhere near saying that the two situations are exactly the same.

You yourself as did Rusty even admitted as much by saying:

"Sure you can say that a guy that kills himself quit. That's fair enough"


""In principal" they might be the same thing. Yes, both are decisions to give up"


So I find it hard to believe that some on this board cannot see how they can be compared when everyone knows that when comparing them in principal....they are on the same level.

I just think trying to set them apart is an easy out in regard to contradictory thinking.

This post has been edited by BGv2.0: Jul 3 2009, 12:18 PM