[D-MARV]

Well pre-Tszyu, Judah was on his way to being that next big thing and none of his true colors had come out yet. He was steam rolling guys and was looking like a P.Wittaker with power. IMO it was a GREAT win for Tzsyu, and he forever changed Judah and made him what he is today. After the Tzsyu fight Judah was just never the same.

Fuck yea, I made it to 100 posts.

P Whitaker w/ Power??? LMAO!

[salvador]

You have got to be kidding me about that last sentence. Tszyu utterly destroyed Judah by devastating 2nd round KO. IMO Judah was never the same after that fight, his confidence was totally shot. That 1st round was just a feel out round for Tszyu and he was just getting warmed up. Once Tszyu warmed up and had a feel for Judah, game was over. To say a rematch never happened because Tszyu was scared of the punches that Judah landed in the 1st is complete nonsense. Tszyu would have stretched Judah out again in a rematch without a doubt.

Judah was calling for a rematch every time he got in front of a microphone for a while and Tszyu could have made more money fighting Judah again than he made fighting Tackie, Lieja or Mitchell. If Tszyu thought the fight would have been easy, he would have taken the rematch. I think it's reasonable to look at that first huge punch Judah landed and Tszyu's reaction to that punch and assume that it made some kind of impact on his decision making process when he passed on the rematch.

Kostya's ko was spectacular and changed Judah's career because his confidence was broken. But it wasn't like Tszyu gave Judah a beating; he landed one punch directly on the button like Tito did with Vargas and Ali did with Liston. The ko was significant because of how it altered Judah's career, but it would be silly to say that round 2 of that fight was decisive enough for anyone to believe that Tszyu would have stretched Judah in the rematch. Judah dominated round one and Tszyu won a tactical round two and just happened to land one perfect punch with 10 seconds to go. If he hadn't landed that punch, I think most people watching that fight would have assumed that Judah was the smart money bet after 2 rounds.

Judah was easily the best win of Tszyu's career. Judah was faster than Tszyu, a southpaw, and probably landed the single biggest punch that Tszyu ever took. I believe Tszyu was relieved to have gotten past Judah and wasn't willing to risk tainting his biggest win - even though he could made a nice pile of cash in a rematch. And when it comes down to it, there has to be a reason Tszyu chose not to fight Judah again. He couldn't have believed Tackie was a better legacy fight or a bigger money fight. And if he really hated Judah so much, they you would think that he'd have loved the opportunity to ko him again for a big paycheck. Doesn't that make sense? What other reason could there be other than Tszyu didn't like the risk/reward of the fight?

[EpTXCHAMP]

no, YOU watch.....even sal admitted that he exagerrated.

Exaggerated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

you know what I'll say knock down! not ko ur right, but that uppercut followed by the left hand barrage with 1:47left in the 1st round could have put kostya down if not for the ropes and him holding on IMO. So I wont go as far as saying a ko

[salvador]

no, YOU watch.....even sal admitted that he exagerrated.

I admitted that I had remembered incorrectly. I didn't intentionally exaggerate.

And I'll definitely stand by my comment that Judah stunned and I would even say frightened Tszyu with that punch. Tszyu was definitely hurt and he was holding on tightly because he was temporarily too stunned to defend himself against a guy who (I believe was a comfortable favorite going into the fight) had just landed a monsterous shot and was going in for the kill.

[MarzB]

Do things have to be taken so literally at times?? The "Judah being the next coming of Whitaker" saying or comparison we obviously know isn't close. Big deal! Easy to say now we KNOW THAT.

But yes at the time, that comparison WAS indeed being touted ok? The same way how some new guy is the "NEXT _________" in most sports because it's easier copy for journalist.

Especially considering Judah was fast like Whitaker, southpaw like Whitaker and their relationship where Judah was his sparring partner.

[MarzB]

no he fought corley for the wbo strap at 140 after i think he fought Weis, then jumped to welter once he signed with Don King.

I wanted to see a kostya vs Mayweather match but lets be honest that kostya that lost to Hatton wouldve gotten humiliated against floyd. It would've been a bad way for a future hall of famer to go out.(as it is I think the way he went out against hatton was bad)

Thank you for the correction and yes I remember that because Judah brought some lingerie to the weigh in I believe,lol.

Don't let the Aussie's here hear you say Floyd would have beaten Kostya,lol.

[AussieLad]

Zab landed a big shot on tszyu. Whoopy doo

Kostyas legs werent wobbling, he had the pressence of mind to avoid the bulk of the barrage of follow up shots, and finished the round strong. He got caught, but was in no danger of going out. Tszyu had an excelent chin

[alaganza]

If I am not mistaken. I thought that Judah really stopped punching in that second round. I thought he played around dodging punches and not throwing back. I would have liked to seen a rematch but I think Zab's lack of confidence would have led to his demise in a rematch like his over-confidence led to his demise in the first fight.

[STEVENSKI]

Haha. No he didn't. He was never close to being knocked out. Judah landed 2 hard clean shots that got his attention. That doesn't qualify to 'nearly' getting knocked out. Unless you are throwing that term around loosely.

Oh they are. There is a massive difference between being buzzed with a good shot, staggered & dropped like a sack of shit & looking like a newborn giraffe trying to gain it's footing.

[STEVENSKI]

I actually just watched the fight again and I will concede that Tszyu wasn't quite as hurt as I had remembered, but he was definitely hurt and he was definitely hanging on for defensive purposes because Judah was coming on strong. I will stand by my comment that the punch made a lasting impression and was an important factor in Tszyu's decision not to give Judah a rematch.

Sal what about Judah's ghetto posturing & his no rematch statement. What did he remotely do to deserve a rematch? What made him more deserving thananyone else? WHat did he achieve at 140 after Tszyu knocked him to tomorrow?