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> PPV: Chavez vs. Martinez@9PM(ET)/6PM(PT) SPOILERS (Topics Merged), (Rematch?)
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post Sep 16 2012, 06:09 AM
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I only thought Chavez took the last round 10-7 and that is all. The second he might have taken, but no more than that.

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post Sep 16 2012, 07:47 AM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Sep 16 2012, 05:37 AM) *
No

Chavez Jr. was completely outclassed for 11 rounds, only hit it big on the 12th because Sergio was tired and burnt out, based on his own stamina.


+1.

Not interested in a re-match. The result will be the same. In fact, Martinez is more likely to be able to successfully adjust his own game plan for the better, than JCC Jr. is likely going to be able to do, if they ever fight again any time before Martinez turns 40.

For the record, I believed Martinez would be too smart in the ring for Chavez Jr. for the fight we saw yesterday, and that Martinez would win.

Here is a great article (IMHO) published before the fight:

http://www.boxing.com/teddy_sergio_me_and_...chool_yard.html

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post Sep 16 2012, 09:55 AM
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Yes,

Chavez being outclassed went out the window the moment he put Sergio on his ass. The only way there want be a rematch is if Sergio refuses and moves on. But where does he go for his next opponent that will generate money? Chavez was beaten up, but never hurt and in the rematch I think he will press him earlier.

Maravilla really is a Ballerina!
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post Sep 16 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Sep 16 2012, 05:57 AM) *
...and you guys say that, I'M crazy, smh. Some of these posts literally had me tears, from laughter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Good stuff though.

So I lucked up on fight night, I got to the Thomas & Crack Center, and saw a guy selling some last minute tickets. I told him that I was trying to get rid of this one extras ticket of mine, that has been chapping my ass for the last 3 days. I traded both of my $75 tickets, for a $200 ticket and he threw in a $20 bill for my "troubles".

Not a bad deal at all. I almost thought I got tricked when I saw this fat Argentinian dude in my seat (at the end of the isle), but he quickly explained that he was too damn fat to sit in his middle seat, he showed me the stub, and we were good.

I ended u sitting by this Mexican cat that looked like a mix of Canelo and Gomez, but his girlfriend...boy, boy boy...that motherfucker was hot to the 25th power, no lie. She was "cute". As most of us know, a cute chick usually outshines a dime...its just something about them.

As for the fight, it was a bit different from my live, $200 view (which was nice). I saw a few comparative rounds for Julio, the 2nd, a late round (maybe 10 or 11, cant remember), and the round with the 2 knockdowns. I was a bit smashed, and it was SO much going on in there. The display wreaked of that shitty, low budget, Top Rank banner and trimmings, hardly any HBO logos there, so I'll have to watch it at home. No timers either during the rounds, so shit was happening faster than I anticipated, and some rounds just seemed eternal.

So there you have it, I definitely gave Julio the 2nd rd, that late comparative round, and obviously the round with the knockdowns. Sergio was killing me with the sticking and moving, but there was no need to fight Julio's fight (trading). Why give an opportunity to fight the fight that's actually his only chance of winning?

Sergio executed the perfect game plan, but let's be honest, Julio's body work throughout the WHOLE fight, took its toll. Those headshots during the fight, made their mark as well. Sergio got a bit too careless towards the end, and that's where the shit kicked in. I cant say I was surprised, because he had been hitting Sergio with "canvas tasters" throughout the fight, but his legs allowed him to flee from harm.

Julio got caught in some exchanges, and I thought he was gonna go down a FEW times. Martinez pulled out the stops tonight...that uppercut, inside fighting, and continuous attempts to the body, impressed me. Trust me, there were quiet Mexicans in there, but they still had faith in the reluctant Julio. Now THAT shit was pissing me off. From the outside, it wasn't his time, but he froze a few times when they got in close quarters.

This performance by Sergio, put me in the mind of the Khan/Maidana bout. Khan was supposed to stay away from the big puncher, and fight on the outside, which he did for a while, but he got near/against the ropes, and got comfortable/careless...all of his work was about to go down the shitter because of it.

Let's be real here, though Sergio dominated the fight, he was knocked down a couple of pegs because of the shots that he was taking BEFORE the knockdowns even occurred. The knockdowns just sealed the deal, in my opinion. He left the "almost factor" up for discussion...he beat Julio easily, but "almost" lost it all. Some out there would even call for a rematch, on the strength of that alone.

I'm not even sure a rematch is necessary here, but shit, if a guy basically gets his ass kicked over a round of 10 or 11 rounds, then BOOM, he goes down twice and barely survives...I can imagine the rematch talks are already brewing. Either Chavez can take punishment that well, or Sergio just slipped up and let his guard down, your choice.

Overall, I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch, if Arum decides to lift his stubby, wrinkled, finger and at least make a conscious effort to let us know that he actually gives a shit about an undercard. This one stunk, and made no sense, other than the Beltran Jr./Martinez bout. His undercards aren't usual half bad, but this one stunk.

Chavez proved that he's not just some spoiled kid, but he cant actually hold his own in there. I need to go back and watch this one at home, to make a better assessment. This is all that I have in the meantime...

You sum'd it all up in a nutshell, Sergio all most gave it all away. The last round is the reason a rematch will be pushed. I for one think Chavez will win the rematch. Maravilla is really a ballerina
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post Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM
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NO. Got schooled for 11 and a half rounds. Chavez can't deal with movement. What gameplan is he going to come with? Knockdown happened because Sergio's legs were gone because of all that movement. In a rematch all we'll see is that movement again but Sergio being a bit more careful. Chavez couldn't eat Sergio's punches. Sergio sometimes was even walking him down. So no, no need.
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post Sep 16 2012, 11:00 AM
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i remember martinez stunned him one time, had him on the ropes, then the round ended.
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post Sep 16 2012, 11:41 AM
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Sergio Martinez proved why he is unquestionably the lineal champion in the Middleweight division.

I give JCC a lot of credit for taking the beating that he did and still being there in Round 12 to capitalize on Martinez's lax defense in that round.

The most telling part of the fight was right after the knockdown in the 12th round, where Sergio continued to take big shots but recovered.

Trainers and fighters will tell you that a boxer's ability to recuperate is based almost entirely on conditioning. Sergio had a great camp, came into the fight in great shape and ultimately that conditioning helped him survive deep in Round 12 when it seemed like he was in trouble. By the end of the round, Sergio was moving, firing and landing, while JCC couldn't close the show. That was the difference in the fight in so many ways.

JCC clearly wasn't training properly or with any kind of discipline for this fight. Martinez's hard training and superb conditioning allowed him to stick with the stick and move strategy for the fight.

A rematch won't go any differently. You might simply see Martinez be a little bit more cautious, but he will still be out-throwing and out-landing JCC.

JCC made me a believer in one way, in that if he were to really dedicate himself to boxing, he could be a contender, although I feel he'll have to go to 168 lbs. soon because I can't see him realistically continuing to make the weight at Middleweight. He's not his daddy, but he showed that he belongs in professional boxing.
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post Sep 16 2012, 12:48 PM
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nope don't want to see no rematch, waste of the public time. martinez should now be looking to fight better opposition now, this fight went exactly how i thought is was going to go. i want to see martinez challenge himself, he needs to go up an fight andre ward.
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post Sep 16 2012, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (mitukczuk @ Sep 16 2012, 03:52 AM) *
I havent seen the whole fight yet, just the 12th round and I gotta say, that was the first time I have ever seen Sergio seriously hurt. He got hit with some bombs that round, but I am glad he made it out of the round - not saying recovered, he was pretty out on his feet. Can't wait to actually see it.

By the way - You can't blame everything on Roach. People seem to bash him to harshly these days. Yes, he has some flaws, but for some things you have to blame the fighter as well.


You can when you see the fact that he doesn't know how to make adjustments.
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post Sep 16 2012, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE (BigFightFan @ Sep 16 2012, 10:04 AM) *
You sum'd it all up in a nutshell, Sergio all most gave it all away. The last round is the reason a rematch will be pushed. I for one think Chavez will win the rematch. Maravilla is really a ballerina

Thanks. I honestly dont even remember posting that shit. LOL.

QUOTE (Plah @ Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM) *
NO. Got schooled for 11 and a half rounds.

Indeed he did, for the most part anyway. Sergio WAS getting hit by some good shots before the knockdowns even occurred, people seem to be looking past that part. It reminds me of Cotto/Margarito I, when Cotto was "dominating" the first half of the fight, when in all actuality, he was getting touched up in there and the shots soaked in later on.

QUOTE (Plah @ Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM) *
Chavez can't deal with movement.

Who can? Most fighters that fight Sergio, have a problem dealing with it.

QUOTE (Plah @ Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM) *
What gameplan is he going to come with?

Who knows, maybe a BETTER ONE. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Seriously, he could either use more head movement, or work on closing the distance more effectively without sacrificing his face.

QUOTE (Plah @ Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM) *
Knockdown happened because Sergio's legs were gone because of all that movement.

I hate to say this (well not really, lol), but it sounds like you're making excuses for Martinez. I dont get it. He schooled the guy for about 9 or 10 rounds, but almost let it go down the drain. Problem was, he got careless, the pressure was catching up to him, and Im sure he felt the body shots (like any normal fighter would).

I said this in one of my predictions, this would be the fight that Sergio beats himself in. He does it all the time, the constant movement usually takes a toll on him, but his opponent is usually in worse shape because of all the sustained shots, Sergio just closes the deal while being the lesser of the two tired fighters.

I knew this fight with Julio would validate that statement, because Julio usually gets stronger in the later rounds. So, are you validating the fact that Sergio worked against himself, or did Julio calculate the shot properly? I remember a few guys predicting Sergio winning by "decapitation", but we almost saw differently. Some of those same guys said that Floyd would "Gatti" Cotto...we saw differently.

QUOTE (Plah @ Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM) *
n a rematch all we'll see is that movement again but Sergio being a bit more careful.

Isn't/shouldn't all fighters be more careful in a rematch?....whether they're the one who got beat for most of the fight and almost pulled off the upset KO, or the guy that controlled the fight and almost got KO'd at the end?

QUOTE (Plah @ Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM) *
Chavez couldn't eat Sergio's punches. Sergio sometimes was even walking him down. So no, no need.

Indeed Sergio walked him down at times, but Chavez ate the punches good enough to do what he did at the end, right? What Sergio allowed to happen at the end, will surely have people bringing up rematch talks. I wonder how many people would be declining a rematch, had Sergio not been able to continue?

What will they say? "Sergio deserves a rematch because he was schooling Chavez for 11 rounds, but his legs were gone and he ended up getting stopped at the end". If that reason can be used to justify a rematch in Sergio's favor, then surely Chavez can be excused for getting schooled for 11 rounds and ALMOST stopping Sergio in the 12th (I still cant remember if that was round 11 or 12, lol)?

Anyhow, you made a good assessment of the action throughout the fight. One of them stuck out, but I cant remember which one it was off the top of my head. All in all, Julio proved that he belonged in the big talks of boxing. Sergio left some questions to be answered when he hit the canvas, again, it reminded me of Khan/Maidana, where Amir proved himself all the way up until the 10th, then almost had a flashback (like Martinez did with Margarito).

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