[mrchitown]

Nobody owes nobody nothing! You said that GBP didn't have success with black fighters and I proved you wrong. Now take a seat and be quiet!

HAHAHA I had to laugh at this, I guess your definition of success is different from mine. But I guarantee if you take a poll, you'd be in the minority. You didn't prove anything, you tried to call me out after Shels schooled yo and you came at me thinking it was the lesser of 2 evils. He basically said the same thing I said in my initial post to you. You brought up fighters who only the most loyal fans would know and you think you got a W under your belt lmao. That's not success fool. What black fighter did they turn into a star? I'll wait? It wasn't anyone...not even Floyd who when he fought De La Hoya was a promotional free agent. Not B Hop, Not Shane. Name who they've been successful with.

In the words of my Chitown brethren Kanye west "STFU before I embarrass you"

This post has been edited by mrchitown: Aug 24 2012, 09:55 PM

[pesticid]

HAHAHA I had to laugh at this, I guess your definition of success is different from mine. But I guarantee if you take a poll, you'd be in the minority. You didn't prove anything, you tried to call me out after Shels schooled yo and you came at me thinking it was the lesser of 2 evils. He basically said the same thing I said in my initial post to you. You brought up fighters who only the most loyal fans would know and you think you got a W under your belt lmao. That's not success fool. What black fighter did they turn into a star? I'll wait? It wasn't anyone...not even Floyd who when he fought De La Hoya was a promotional free agent. Not B Hop, Not Shane. Name who they've been successful with.

In the words of my Chitown brethren Kanye west "STFU before I embarrass you"

How old are you, 16? You sound pretty immature.. Cshel didn't school anybody. He said that GBP didn't care about promoting black fighters so I challenged him on that with examples, same I did with you. Again, how many starts are there in boxing aside from Mayweather and Pacquiao in the US, and you're asking me to name a black boxing star promoted by Golden Boy. They don't even have a Hispanic one yet. There really aren't stars in the US except for Mayweather and Pacquiao.

GBP promotions have been promoting as many African-American as Hispanics, and they don't really have a star of either colour. Just cause Kirkland is unhappy and is suing everybody doesn't mean that GBP doesn't care about their fighters. Bernard Hopkins is a part owner of the company, you don't think he has a say in promoting a lot of these black fighters on their roster. I repeat nobody outside of GBP is promoting more black fighters. They are getting young guys like Quilin, Alexandre, Gary Russel Jr, Broner and Lara great exposure. These are guys with very little following yet GBP is promoting the hell out of them.

[mrchitown]

How old are you, 16? You sound pretty immature.. Cshel didn't school anybody. He said that GBP didn't care about promoting black fighters so I challenged him on that with examples, same I did with you. Again, how many starts are there in boxing aside from Mayweather and Pacquiao in the US, and you're asking me to name a black boxing star promoted by Golden Boy. They don't even have a Hispanic one yet. There really aren't stars in the US except for Mayweather and Pacquiao.

GBP promotions have been promoting as many African-American as Hispanics, and they don't really have a star of either colour. Just cause Kirkland is unhappy and is suing everybody doesn't mean that GBP doesn't care about their fighters. Bernard Hopkins is a part owner of the company, you don't think he has a say in promoting a lot of these black fighters on their roster. I repeat nobody outside of GBP is promoting more black fighters. They are getting young guys like Quilin, Alexandre, Gary Russel Jr, Broner and Lara great exposure. These are guys with very little following yet GBP is promoting the hell out of them.

There really is no arguing with a fool, I guess I'll just agree to disagree here. See it how you want and I'll assess the situation in my own way

[mrchitown]

http://www.boxingscene.com/kirkland-legal-...ets-ugly--56449

Looks like things will get worse before they start to get better

This post has been edited by mrchitown: Aug 28 2012, 08:44 PM

[daprofessor]

How old are you, 16? You sound pretty immature.. Cshel didn't school anybody. He said that GBP didn't care about promoting black fighters so I challenged him on that with examples, same I did with you. Again, how many starts are there in boxing aside from Mayweather and Pacquiao in the US, and you're asking me to name a black boxing star promoted by Golden Boy. They don't even have a Hispanic one yet. There really aren't stars in the US except for Mayweather and Pacquiao.

GBP promotions have been promoting as many African-American as Hispanics, and they don't really have a star of either colour. Just cause Kirkland is unhappy and is suing everybody doesn't mean that GBP doesn't care about their fighters. Bernard Hopkins is a part owner of the company, you don't think he has a say in promoting a lot of these black fighters on their roster. I repeat nobody outside of GBP is promoting more black fighters. They are getting young guys like Quilin, Alexandre, Gary Russel Jr, Broner and Lara great exposure. These are guys with very little following yet GBP is promoting the hell out of them.

russell, broner and lara are al haymon advised fighters who are with gbp on a fight by fight basis. while they may be promoting them now...that may not last. i get the feeling tmt was developed to bring it all in house. only time will tell.

on the flip side....gbp's treatment of hopkins and mosley wasn't exactly the way u want to treat guys of that caliber. both had great wins in their careers....hopkins over pavlik (career defining) and mosley over margarito (again, career defining) and gbp shelved them for their amazing efforts. hopkins didn't get another meaningful fight for 2 yrs off that win and mosley was pretty much shelved for a over a year before he got the mayweather fight...a fight which he should have got a long time ago but took back seat to his 'promotional partner' dlh. hell...mosley let it be known he wanted pacquiao as well....and dlh pushed jmm instead. mosley had to leave gbp to get that fight and when he left what did gbp give him for his part in helping to build gbp? $1000. they said that's all his share of the promotional company was worth.

[pesticid]

]russell, broner and lara are al haymon advised fighters who are with gbp on a fight by fight basis. while they may be promoting them now.[/b]..that may not last. i get the feeling tmt was developed to bring it all in house. only time will tell.

on the flip side....gbp's treatment of hopkins and mosley wasn't exactly the way u want to treat guys of that caliber. both had great wins in their careers....hopkins over pavlik (career defining) and mosley over margarito (again, career defining) and gbp shelved them for their amazing efforts. hopkins didn't get another meaningful fight for 2 yrs off that win and mosley was pretty much shelved for a over a year before he got the mayweather fight...a fight which he should have got a long time ago but took back seat to his 'promotional partner' dlh. hell...mosley let it be known he wanted pacquiao as well....and dlh pushed jmm instead. mosley had to leave gbp to get that fight and when he left what did gbp give him for his part in helping to build gbp? $1000. they said that's all his share of the promotional company was worth.

Can't argue with that, the point is GBP is still promoting them just like Goosen is promoting Arreola and used to promote Paul Williams who are with Al Haymon also. Al Haymon is a great adviser and he used to be a great promoter in R & B but the fact of the matter is that we still have GBP promoting a lot of black fighters.


As far as Mosley they gave him Margarito. They were getting him to fight Berto (a very meaningful fight) but Berto cancelled it. I don`t see how they put him on the shelf when Berto cancelled their much anticipated fight. Next they gave him Floyd, then they gave him Mora and he stank it up.

They wanted to give Marquez a fight over Mosley for known reasons, he was more deserving, a better match-up and better business as proven by Pacman vs Dinamita 3. They still gave Mosley the Alvarez fight after despite the bad blood. Mosley was a fading product, Marquez is still a fighter that a lot of people want to see fight. Nobody wanted to see Mosley vs Pacman and it didn't do good entertainment wise and money wise.

As far as his shares being worth only $1000, then that`s what you get. Should he have received extra money because he decided to go with Top Rank, how is that for loyalty. I understand Shane, he wanted his 2 mil against Pacman and he did what he had to do but I understand GBP too. This is business and if your shares are worth $1000 that`s what you get.

Now speaking of Bhop, he has gotten the most meaningful fights since he got with GBP - Dawson twice, Pascal twice, Kelly Pavlik, Joe Calzaghe, Antonio Tarver, Jermain Taylor twice. Anybody that was there to fight in his division, those fights got made. You`re nitpicking here. BHop`s career under GBP has been nothing short of spectacular compared to what it was under King where he fought Joppy and Hakar after his destruction of Tito.

This post has been edited by pesticid: Aug 31 2012, 06:58 PM

[checkleft]

Can't argue with that, the point is GBP is still promoting them just like Goosen is promoting Arreola and used to promote Paul Williams who are with Al Haymon also. Al Haymon is a great adviser and he used to be a great promoter in R & B but the fact of the matter is that we still have GBP promoting a lot of black fighters.


As far as Mosley they gave him Margarito. They were getting him to fight Berto (a very meaningful fight) but Berto cancelled it. I don`t see how they put him on the shelf when Berto cancelled their much anticipated fight. Next they gave him Floyd, then they gave him Mora and he stank it up.

They wanted to give Marquez a fight over Mosley for known reasons, he was more deserving, a better match-up and better business as proven by Pacman vs Dinamita 3. They still gave Mosley the Alvarez fight after despite the bad blood. Mosley was a fading product, Marquez is still a fighter that a lot of people want to see fight. Nobody wanted to see Mosley vs Pacman and it didn't do good entertainment wise and money wise.

As far as his shares being worth only $1000, then that`s what you get. Should he have received extra money because he decided to go with Top Rank, how is that for loyalty. I understand Shane, he wanted his 2 mil against Pacman and he did what he had to do but I understand GBP too. This is business and if your shares are worth $1000 that`s what you get.

Now speaking of Bhop, he has gotten the most meaningful fights since he got with GBP - Dawson twice, Pascal twice, Kelly Pavlik, Joe Calzaghe, Antonio Tarver, Jermain Taylor twice. Anybody that was there to fight in his division, those fights got made. You`re nitpicking here. BHop`s career under GBP has been nothing short of spectacular compared to what it was under King where he fought Joppy and Hakar after his destruction of Tito.

This. Mosley had it good up until he left gbp... Hopkins has been treated very well too