[Jack 1000]

First off, what the FUCK was that ref doin' in the Main Event??...he was all up in the action, right next to the fighters darting in and out, especially towards Concepcion...

That's VERY distracting...incompetent...and quite possibly corrupt.

I understand a ref gettin' close as to get ready to stop the fight...but this motherfucker was way too close, stepping back and forth, and looked to have an early Lopez stoppage set in his mind from the opening bell...

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Anyway...Lopez got the job done...he obviously has dynamite in his hands and a lacking defense...still a bit green if you ask me...

Matter of fact, I'mma go ahead and pick Marquez over him right now.....Lopez only got 2 rounds in, and Marquez' experience/IQ could be the difference maker...

For me,

I didn't notice. However, this may have been due to that great first round when them swapping knockdowns! Some refs are more intrusive than others, and this ref may have been that. But I saw him carefully watching the action, not so much looking to step in. Notice that when Concepcion goes down before the stoppage, the ref starts to count, but it's only AFTER Concepcion goes down again after starting to get up that he makes the call to stop it. That second round knockdown was sharp, definitive, and definite. It wouldn't have been to much longer before Lopez could have REALLY hurt him.

If the ref wanted the earlier stoppage, he could have stopped it before Concepcion's shocking at the bell knockdown, but he didn't. I've seen Luis Pabon ref before and don't recall any problems with him.

Jack

[D-MARV]

You missed my point completely also.

My only point was basically P4P fighters do have off nights and sometimes fight to the level of there opposition. You wrote "P4P fighters are not supposed to look like that after fighting a C-Level fighter". That is why I brought up the Mayweather-Burton fight, Floyd got hit a lot and looked far from spectacular that night, and he fought a C-Level fighter that night also . Does not mean he is not a P4P'er, like you were implying about Donaire, just means maybe he was not at his best that night?

No doubt Donaire took his opponent lightly and was not at his best last night. So many top fighters need big fights or tough opponents to "get up" and so we see them at their best. I could name you many of fights and fighters who fought below there own level and lost or squeaked by fights to lesser fighters only because there lack of preparation.

Again... you missed my point, I'll try to be as simple as I can with you.

My argument is that Donaire wasn't all that impressive last night. I never said he wasn't P4P material... I said that his performance last night wasn't P4P material. You then felt the need to bring up Floyd's name which is irrelevant to my argument. Did you find Donaire's performance impressive?

[Lil-lightsout]

Again... you missed my point, I'll try to be as simple as I can with you.

My argument is that Donaire wasn't all that impressive last night. I never said he wasn't P4P material... I said that his performance last night wasn't P4P material. You then felt the need to bring up Floyd's name which is irrelevant to my argument. Did you find Donaire's performance impressive?

Hahahaha.

Listen man, Donaire was NOT impressive last night.

You DID say in your original statement that "a P4P" fighter is not supposed to look like that against a C-Level fighter. To me you are implying or questioning him being a true P4P fighter. Otherwise why would you say that???

The only reason I brought up the Floyd fight is cause it is basically the same thing. Just cause you have an off night or not look your best does not mean you should question his P4P status.

Shit PW has had a few off nights and you STILL keep him in your P4P top fighters.

[D-MARV]

Hahahaha.

Listen man, Donaire was NOT impressive last night.

You DID say in your original statement that "a P4P" fighter is not supposed to look like that against a C-Level fighter. To me you are implying or questioning him being a true P4P fighter. Otherwise why would you say that???

The only reason I brought up the Floyd fight is cause it is basically the same thing. Just cause you have an off night or not look your best does not mean you should question his P4P status.

Shit PW has had a few off nights and you STILL keep him in your P4P top fighters.

Well, do you disagree with me? Or do you think P4P fighters should look average against C class fighters? I haven't dismissed Donaire as a P4P fighter as I understand that fighters DO have off nights. My whole point is/was that Donaire was not all that impressive last night.

LOL... now I see you're bringing PWill into the discussion... LMAO.


Dude, PWill had a shitty night against Quintana and I immediately took him off my list... Since then he's dominated quality fighters at multiple weight classes and climbed his way back on the lists. He wasn't dominate against Martinez but Martinez is a GREAT fighter whom I also rate very highly. Big difference from Martinez and the guy Donaire fought last night.

I hope you understand where I' coming from now. I NEVER said Donaire was overrated or wasn't a P4P fighter but he sure didn't look his best olast night. I'm not sure what this has to do with Floyd or PWill but whatever.

[JD]

A P4P player can have an off night against a fighter they should dominate...as long as the find a way to win, and don't make a habit out of looking so-so.

[thefloatingmonke...]

Not sure why people consider Donaire to be a p4p fighter. He has had little opposition throughout his career. He is a good fighter and looks sharp in the ring (not when he fights left handed), but I would say it is a little too early to say he is a p4p fighter. He needs to start fighting better competition.

[D-MARV]

Not sure why people consider Donaire to be a p4p fighter. He has had little opposition throughout his career. He is a good fighter and looks sharp in the ring (not when he fights left handed), but I would say it is a little too early to say he is a p4p fighter. He needs to start fighting better competition.

I have no problem putting Donaire in the top 10 (I personally have him somewhere along those lines). In the past, Donaire has shown to have an impressive skill set. Someone mentioned, last night in the chat room, that Donaire has one of the best left hooks in the game and I completely agree. I expect his level of competition to rise.

[Jack 1000]

I have no problem putting Donaire in the top 10 (I personally have him somewhere along those lines). In the past, Donaire has shown to have an impressive skill set. Someone mentioned, last night in the chat room, that Donaire has one of the best left hooks in the game and I completely agree. I expect his level of competition to rise.

It's almost like Donaire has to beat Darchinyan again to prove the first fight was not a fluke to many people. But Vic does not seem to want the rematch.

Jack

[Mean Mister Must...]

This thread has raised an important question: Is Donaire p4p material? I think he is but I disagree with the position Ring Magazine have given him ( they have him at #4). He beat Darchinyan 3 years ago and has fought no big names since. To his credit he has looked impressive in his subsequent fights, with 1 or 2 exceptions, but one wonders whether that earns him the #4 spot.

[kidbazooka1]

Donaire definitly has p4p skills but his resume is shaky his only good win was ofcourse the win over Darch but i can't blame him for that it seems Arum isn't doing his best to get him the big fights.