[Walstan86]

Would love to hear this one explained. See the testing regimen:

http://www.usada.org/mayweather-mosley/

[Walstan86]

wow....crickets.

[thehype]

Would love to hear this one explained. See the testing regimen:

http://www.usada.org/mayweather-mosley/

There was no cutoff date. USADA CHOSE to stop testing 18 days prior because they found no irregularities in the previous samples taken...HOWEVER...if they CHOSE to take another sample at any time leading up to the fight, they could have done so.

ran·dom   
[ran-duhm]
–adjective
1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
2. Statistics . of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.

I REALLY don't understand why some people, Pactards in particular, have a difficulty in understanding what the word RANDOM means and the reason why it's in place. Because the tests are RANDOM, they can be taken at ANY TIME, therefore it acts as a DETERRENT to those athletes who may be TEMPTED to use an illegal substance AFTER any known cutoff date.

RAN...DUUUUUUUUUUH....M!

Personally, I would MUCH RATHER have someone explain why they don't understand the difference between having a cutoff date vs. a conscious decision to stop testing. I mean, had USADA stopped testing 18 days, 13 days, 8 days, 5 days, or 3 days out, that doesn't mean that was the cutoff date. DUH!

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[lloyd mayflower]

Post it in one of the many open threads about Floyd/Manny!!!

How many times!!!???

[Cheesey1]

There was no cutoff date. USADA CHOSE to stop testing 18 days prior because they found no irregularities in the previous samples taken...HOWEVER...if they CHOSE to take another sample at any time leading up to the fight, they could have done so.

ran·dom   
[ran-duhm]
–adjective
1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
2. Statistics . of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.

I REALLY don't understand why some people, Pactards in particular, have a difficulty in understanding what the word RANDOM means and the reason why it's in place. Because the tests are RANDOM, they can be taken at ANY TIME, therefore it acts as a DETERRENT to those athletes who may be TEMPTED to use an illegal substance AFTER any known cutoff date.

RAN...DUUUUUUUUUUH....M!

Personally, I would MUCH RATHER have someone explain why they don't understand the difference between having a cutoff date vs. a conscious decision to stop testing. I mean, had USADA stopped testing 18 days, 13 days, 8 days, 5 days, or 3 days out, that doesn't mean that was the cutoff date. DUH!

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Well said, but they just don't get it. It's extremely simple, but they're either too stupid, or too dishonest to get it. Either way it's quite clear by now that they will never get it.

[Walstan86]

There was no cutoff date. USADA CHOSE to stop testing 18 days prior because they found no irregularities in the previous samples taken...HOWEVER...if they CHOSE to take another sample at any time leading up to the fight, they could have done so.

ran·dom   
[ran-duhm]
–adjective
1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
2. Statistics . of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.

I REALLY don't understand why some people, Pactards in particular, have a difficulty in understanding what the word RANDOM means and the reason why it's in place. Because the tests are RANDOM, they can be taken at ANY TIME, therefore it acts as a DETERRENT to those athletes who may be TEMPTED to use an illegal substance AFTER any known cutoff date.

RAN...DUUUUUUUUUUH....M!

Personally, I would MUCH RATHER have someone explain why they don't understand the difference between having a cutoff date vs. a conscious decision to stop testing. I mean, had USADA stopped testing 18 days, 13 days, 8 days, 5 days, or 3 days out, that doesn't mean that was the cutoff date. DUH!

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So Floyd is cool with whatever the USADA decides--even if they decide on 18 days-out for the final blood test. It makes zero sense for someone as adamant as Floyd is about cleaning up the sport to surrender total control of the process to an outfit as apparently lax as the USADA.

You raise the "deterrent" value of the random nature of the procedure to justify its use. But that's just theory. Because in practice, it turns out that the USADA felt confident that 18 days would produce sufficiently reliable results to certify the "cleanliness" of the fighters.

And one more thing, why do you stoop to childish name-calling ("duh", "pactards" etc.)? You complain about the tenor of the dialogue among members on this topic and yet look at the example you set. It's no wonder you get the tripe you see so often.

[Snoop]

So Floyd is cool with whatever the USADA decides--even if they decide on 18 days-out for the final blood test. It makes zero sense for someone as adamant as Floyd is about cleaning up the sport to surrender total control of the process to an outfit as apparently lax as the USADA.

You raise the "deterrent" value of the random nature of the procedure to justify its use. But that's just theory. Because in practice, it turns out that the USADA felt confident that 18 days would produce sufficiently reliable results to certify the "cleanliness" of the fighters.

And one more thing, why do you stoop to childish name-calling ("duh", "pactards" etc.)? You complain about the tenor of the dialogue among members on this topic and yet look at the example you set. It's no wonder you get the tripe you see so often.

You're missing the point. Floyd was cool with it because the Mosley camp was unable to plan anything in those 18 days because they had no idea when the last test was going occur. It's wrong to view it as an "18-day cut off" agreement as opposed to when the USADA simply chose to stop the testing. The point is to prevent the either camp from being able to schedule a cycle, not how many days out the final test is conducted.

[Walstan86]

You're missing the point. Floyd was cool with it because the Mosley camp was unable to plan anything in those 18 days because they had no idea when the last test was going occur. It's wrong to view it as an "18-day cut off" agreement as opposed to when the USADA simply chose to stop the testing. The point is to prevent the either camp from being able to schedule a cycle, not how many days out the final test is conducted.

Fair enough. But let me ask you this: Wouldn't it be better to simply stipulate that blood must be given on specific dates including the day before the fight?

[JONdaCON817]

So Floyd is cool with whatever the USADA decides--even if they decide on 18 days-out for the final blood test. It makes zero sense for someone as adamant as Floyd is about cleaning up the sport to surrender total control of the process to an outfit as apparently lax as the USADA.

You raise the "deterrent" value of the random nature of the procedure to justify its use. But that's just theory. Because in practice, it turns out that the USADA felt confident that 18 days would produce sufficiently reliable results to certify the "cleanliness" of the fighters.

And one more thing, why do you stoop to childish name-calling ("duh", "pactards" etc.)? You complain about the tenor of the dialogue among members on this topic and yet look at the example you set. It's no wonder you get the tripe you see so often.

i think you still dont get it.... again, its random. it was 18 days this time.. it coulda been the day before, it coulda been 19 days... it makes sense and its not really that hard to understand... and i dont get why your bitchin about it.

i guess i dont get what your question is.... or the point in the post.

[JONdaCON817]

Fair enough. But let me ask you this: Wouldn't it be better to simply stipulate that blood must be given on specific dates including the day before the fight?

its wouldnt be random if there are specific dates.. if you kno when it is then you can do other things besides take PEDs to give you a unfair advantage... like blood transfusions for example.