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> The Decline of Manny Pacquiao, When??
KOpower
post Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM
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BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather never had any stipulations put into place. He did for the Marquez fight. Remember, Floyd didn't even try to make weight b/c all he had to do was pay JMM off. Floyd's recent run of opponents isn't exactly special. A faded Cotto, a faded Mosley, a never-was in Ortiz, the poorly matched fight with JMM, Gatti, Baldomir, and Judah? Floyd has been protected just as much or more than Manny. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Floyd's next 2 fights were with Danny Garcia and Andre Berto before calling it a career.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 10:22 AM) *
BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather never had any stipulations put into place. He did for the Marquez fight. Remember, Floyd didn't even try to make weight b/c all he had to do was pay JMM off. Floyd's recent run of opponents isn't exactly special. A faded Cotto, a faded Mosley, a never-was in Ortiz, the poorly matched fight with JMM, Gatti, Baldomir, and Judah? Floyd has been protected just as much or more than Manny. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Floyd's next 2 fights were with Danny Garcia and Andre Berto before calling it a career.

I agree but out of your list there are like three names that are obviously safe to me ( baldomir who was on a roll and was fighter of the year, gatti who was a draw at the time, and Juan Manuel because of not making weight).

Ortiz was a powerful punching prospect who just had a war with berto, he wasn't a
"Never was" at the time. Miguel cotto came off his revenge win and the fight wasn't at a catch weight so cotto had the size advantage. And how the hell was anyone suppose to think that mosley was faded at all? That's quite a statement especially since mosley had just obliterated margarito in his previous bout (plus mosley has always had trouble with anyone that has speed and decent timing, forrest, cotto mayweather, manny, mora). A lot of the "cherry picking" you mentioned is from things that happened after Floyd fought them lol.

I think corralles was a big cherry picked fight as well. Wasn't corralles having weight issues? Legal issues? And marital issues? But a lot of people don't mention that fight. Manny just made his safe picks more obvious, and the "belts" he won were Fucking ridiculous. It was honestly making a mockery (a bigger one) of the belt and title system in boxing. Winning belts at catchweights from different weight classes against sub par opposition is seriously a disgrace but most of that was Arums doing not mannys.
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post Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Feb 23 2013, 08:22 AM) *
BTW, it also isn't fair to say that Mayweather never had any stipulations put into place. He did for the Marquez fight. Remember, Floyd didn't even try to make weight b/c all he had to do was pay JMM off. Floyd's recent run of opponents isn't exactly special. A faded Cotto, a faded Mosley, a never-was in Ortiz, the poorly matched fight with JMM, Gatti, Baldomir, and Judah? Floyd has been protected just as much or more than Manny. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Floyd's next 2 fights were with Danny Garcia and Andre Berto before calling it a career.


You can't be serious! The Judah fight was actually good up until Zab did his usual thing. Baldomire was a title holder at the time and he needed that fight to get to Oscar. Ortiz was young heavy puncher and dangerous. Just had the fight of the year with Berto so come on. And alot of people said Ortiz had a shot at winning. Shane was not old until Floyd dismantled him, so if he was old why did Pac not fight him "Shane is too good" that is what Roach said! Gatti fight was a showcase for Floyd and as for Juan, two pounds wouldn't of mattered, JMM wasn't winning that fight plus Juan called out Mayweather, and he took the number 1 fighter at the time in Marquez. Let's not change history. Floyd would not waste his time with either fighter. Plus Floyd has always fought guy in his weight division with the exception of Jmm. but again 2 pounds wasn't going to change anything. He even said so. Come on!
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post Feb 23 2013, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 11:08 AM) *
You can't be serious! The Judah fight was actually good up until Zab did his usual thing. Baldomire was a title holder at the time and he needed that fight to get to Oscar. Ortiz was young heavy puncher and dangerous. Just had the fight of the year with Berto so come on. And alot of people said Ortiz had a shot at winning. Shane was not old until Floyd dismantled him, so if he was old why did Pac not fight him "Shane is too good" that is what Roach said! Gatti fight was a showcase for Floyd and as for Juan, two pounds wouldn't of mattered, JMM wasn't winning that fight plus Juan called out Mayweather, and he took the number 1 fighter at the time in Marquez. Let's not change history. Floyd would not waste his time with either fighter. Plus Floyd has always fought guy in his weight division with the exception of Jmm. but again 2 pounds wasn't going to change anything. He even said so. Come on!

It was more than two pounds by fight night bro, it would be naive to think otherwise lol. He just came off a long layoff and didn't make weight (Floyd always makes weight and is in tremendous shape). If he couldn't even make weight he probably rehydrated about 15 pounds or more overnight.
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post Feb 23 2013, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 23 2013, 09:14 AM) *
It was more than two pounds by fight night bro, it would be naive to think otherwise lol. He just came off a long layoff and didn't make weight (Floyd always makes weight and is in tremendous shape). If he couldn't even make weight he probably rehydrated about 15 pounds or more overnight.


I know he wasn't in the 150 section. That I do know and again would it made a difference in the fight? I think not. From what I have read and been told he was over 2 pounds now what did he hydrate to? I know it was a catch weight fight and it changed for 140-146 to 147. So what I am saying is Marquez weight 144 I believe and May came in at 147 give or take since that is the limit, all I am saying is the weight would not of made a big difference. Marquez lost every round due to skill and not weight.
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post Feb 23 2013, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 11:24 AM) *
I know he wasn't in the 150 section. That I do know and again would it made a difference in the fight? I think not. From what I have read and been told he was over 2 pounds now what did he hydrate to? I know it was a catch weight fight and it changed for 140-146 to 147. So what I am saying is Marquez weight 144 I believe and May came in at 147 give or take since that is the limit, all I am saying is the weight would not of made a big difference. Marquez lost every round due to skill and not weight.

Your completely right, it definitely would not have made a difference but 2 pounds over the limit at the weigh in more than likely turned into 10-15 overnight.
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post Feb 23 2013, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Feb 23 2013, 08:31 AM) *
Your completely right, it definitely would not have made a difference but 2 pounds over the limit at the weigh in more than likely turned into 10-15 overnight.


So what was the final weighs for both fighters on fight night?
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post Feb 23 2013, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Feb 23 2013, 02:17 PM) *
So what was the final weighs for both fighters on fight night?

I think that was like the 1 mayweather fight they did not have unofficially weights on fight night for, don't think it was by accident either.
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