[Sugar Q]

Crazy talk from a crazy poster.

PacMan has beaten Barerra 2X, Morales 2X, JMM, DLH. And those are only the big names. Let's not forget the body of work he did pre 2003.

Williams should be in the top 15 however with wins over Margarito, Quintana, Phillips and Wright. But it would be more on the way he beat them.

Ok let me see when PBF was the man it was what has he done lately but now Pacquiao coming off a controversial win over Marquez, a win over someone name David Diaz and a win over a clearly depleted Oscar and he's P4P? If the Corrales, Chavez, Castillo fights didn't count then the Morales, Barrera and controversial Marquez shouldn't. What do you think happens if PW comes back to 147 to fight Manny (provided Manny gets past Hatton which I doubt). Does it need to happen for you to get my point?

[BigG]

PWill owns Mayweather how quickly forget Pwill was owned by Carlos Quintana for 12 rounds and was getting hit with ridiculous shit that Mayweather would NEVER have gotten hit with.

[D-MARV]

LOL... Im gonna put it like this. NO ONE from 160 (not named Abraham) or below beats Paul Williams.

Williams beats Mayweather, Pavlik, Mosley, Clottey, Kirkland or whoever you wanna throw out there.

This post has been edited by damarvelous1: Apr 12 2009, 11:22 AM

[Sugar Q]

I believe the first Quintana is/was a fluke and I don't really look at it too much anymore(not to mention I believe Williams has gotten a lot better since then). My statement is not a knock on any of those 4 guys I mentioned, I just think Williams flat out is too big of a physical freak and too much of an offensive machine for any welter. I think Floyd would have a small shot because he's more defensive and slick but this version(the version that fought Corrales could possibly beat him) of Floyd to me doesn't throw enough punches and lays on the ropes with his shoulder roll way too much. Floyd would land some counters on Williams but he doesn't have enough power to phase Williams enough and Williams would keep coming and punching from all different angles to outwork him(oh and Williams' stamina is ridiculous). However, since Williams has moved up to 160 I doubt many fans will clamor for Williams to fight any welters because they'll say he's not a "natural" welterweight, nor will most welters want to fight him because they already have less risky paydays. It is what it is and those guys already have big time fights without Williams. As long as he can make the WW comfortably he's whatever weight he's fighting at, and according to Williams and his camp he can still make the welterweight limit if the big fight is there. Look at his weight today, he weighed in at 157 and walked into the ring at 165 and had to eat like a motherfucker to get up to 160 in the first place. So to me, right now I don't think Williams would struggle to make WW because he hasn't grown into being a full fledged welter just yet. It may effect him later on if he stays at 160 and tries to drop but right now I think he could do it comfortably.

It's all moot anyway as I don't see him getting a fight with either of those 4(maybe Clotty, but Shane has already said he's not looking for that fight, I doubt Arum would risk Cotto and Floyd has a lot of other less risky options out there). Pavlik or Abraham seems like the next logical step for Williams.

EXACTLY! Floyd would have to go Sugar Ray Leonard to beat this long, freakish dude. None of the others at 147 have a chance with this guy. This guy takes a great shot and throws punches like a feather-wt. Floyd would have a shot but not much. PW still makes a lot of mistakes out there but it'll take a very hard puncher or a very accurate puncher to make him pay. I would not wanna see little Manny in there with this dude. If I'm Floyd I wouldn't take this fight at this stage of my career.

[D-MARV]

PWill owns Mayweather how quickly forget Pwill was owned by Carlos Quintana for 12 rounds and was getting hit with ridiculous shit that Mayweather would NEVER have gotten hit with.

BG,
I thought we were going to get over the Quintana loss. PWill had a bad night. Floyd doesn't throw enough to win more than 3 rounds against PWill.

[Big Slim Sweet]

Ok let me see when PBF was the man it was what has he done lately but now Pacquiao coming off a controversial win over Marquez, a win over someone name David Diaz and a win over a clearly depleted Oscar and he's P4P? If the Corrales, Chavez, Castillo fights didn't count then the Morales, Barrera and controversial Marquez shouldn't.

Bad argument dude. For all the shit Mayweather gets no one disputed him being p4p #1. Pac had reached #2 on most lists and got the title when Floyd quit.

[Big Slim Sweet]

I also think it's time to stop speculating on the possibility of Williams fighting Mayweather, Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao, etc. It's not going to happen. For better or worse (and I happen to think it's better for ALL involved, including Williams), his days fighting below 160 are likely done. The dude has filled out quite nicely at middleweight. He's comfortable there and these smaller welters would have to be out of their damn minds to fight him now. I really, really don't see it happening.

The big names in Paul Williams' future are Pavlik, Abraham, Taylor, Andrade, Hopkins maybe. I honestly think it's more likely he fights Chad Dawson in the next 2-3 years than Mosley or Cotto.

[Sugar Q]

No...he isn't at killing himself at all, but I really cannot think of one thing Paul Williams does better than Floyd Mayweather. He is just so much bigger. He throws a ton of punches...he has great stamina, but P4P I do not think he really compares to Floyd and his skill set. At 160, I don't think Williams beats Pavlik OR Abraham, but I know for damn sure he'd be willing to try.

I mean, if Juan Manuel Marquez fought Joshua Clottey at welterweight he would lose soundly - but it doesn't mean I think Clottey is better than him on a P4P basis.

But how can you rank someone above him that he beat. PBF is the far better fighter than Williams but if Williams beats him how could anyone rank PBF above him. That's why I say Williams has a case for P4P cause he can come down and smash Manny and according to him he is more than willing to.

[BigG]

I also think it's time to stop speculating on the possibility of Williams fighting Mayweather, Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao, etc. It's not going to happen. For better or worse (and I happen to think it's better for ALL involved, including Williams), his days fighting below 160 are likely done. The dude has filled out quite nicely at middleweight. He's comfortable there and these smaller welters would have to be out of their damn minds to fight him now. I really, really don't see it happening.

The big names in Paul Williams' future are Pavlik, Abraham, Taylor, Andrade, Hopkins maybe. I honestly think it's more likely he fights Chad Dawson in the next 2-3 years than Mosley or Cotto.

Dawson would beat Williams handily.

[Sugar Q]

I also think it's time to stop speculating on the possibility of Williams fighting Mayweather, Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao, etc. It's not going to happen. For better or worse (and I happen to think it's better for ALL involved, including Williams), his days fighting below 160 are likely done. The dude has filled out quite nicely at middleweight. He's comfortable there and these smaller welters would have to be out of their damn minds to fight him now. I really, really don't see it happening.

The big names in Paul Williams' future are Pavlik, Abraham, Taylor, Andrade, Hopkins maybe. I honestly think it's more likely he fights Chad Dawson in the next 2-3 years than Mosley or Cotto.

I dont think Paul is a full middle-wt yet. He looks like more of a lt-middle to me. Can he take a fight at 147 again? Probably but I don't see him staying there. People say this is hype but Winky Wright aint no hype. This was a solid win for PW. I just hope that Paul gradually goes up in weight before taking on the big, strong guys up there.

This post has been edited by Sugar Q: Apr 12 2009, 11:59 AM