[wolterb]

This would be an interesting fight. Williams is tenacious but can't match Alvarez' power; Alvarez is patient but leaves ample time for Williams high punchoutput to make a dent on scorecards.

I don't see Williams coming out of this with a win though...unless there is some monkey business with judges. Which leads me to this, hows about Alvarez - Lara? I'd be tempted to say Lara could take Alvarez offa cloud9

[daprofessor]

I used to really like Paul Williams but unfortunately, he's peak as a decent fighter who could have been great. He's a classic example of a guy who got a trainer early on and became blindly loyal to him. George Peterson is NOT ready to train fighters on this level. Anytime your fighter repeatedly gets hit with the same punch fight after fight, round after round and you stubbornly say things as if you don't care... I have no faith in you.

The beauty with guys like Andre Ward, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather etc is that everyone thinks they have a blueprint out to beat them. Problem is, they figure out their mistakes before you do. Then, they also know exactly what you THINK your going to try to do before you even step in the ring. In the Hatton-Mayweather 24/7, Floyd was already saying what Hatton was going to try to do in training camp.

With Paul Williams, everyone knows he's a sucker for a over hand left. Yet instead of adjusting, its like he invites it. Lara came in the fight basically saying "I'm going to try and do exactly what Martinez did to KO you." From the very 1st bell, he did exactly that. He literally could have fought with one hand.

Some people say that some kids learn the stove is hot before they touch it. Some kids have to get burned to realize "I better not touch that anymore." It's like Paul wants to keep his hand in the fire time and time again. Paul! The fire doesn't lose! You hand will never get used to it! It will ALWAYS burn you and it will ALWAYS hurt!

i use this analogy all the time! have we talked before? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

the sad thing...martinez fought the same fight quintana did in their first fight. paul kept walking into traps set by quintana...over...and over. in the rematch paul sat on that back foot and walked him down instead of falling over his front foot repeatedly. he got the knock out early. problem solved. then in the martinez fight...he goes right back to the pressure thing against a bigger, stronger, faster version of quintana. he gets dropped solid but gets right back up and in the 5th round or so...sits back and uses his range and turned that fight around. then towards the end...he turns it back up and makes it closer but going back to how he started. we all know what happened in that 2nd martinez fight. it was very disappointing to see paul not adjust. then the lara fight....damn. same shit. but lets look at this....quintana, martinez, lara are all southpaws. that over hand left is not a punch an orthodox fighter would throw. it won't work against him.

[Franchize]

Sad part is, the right trainer could make Paul into a beast. I've never seen a guy that big that can punch at that rate for 12 rounds. His stamina is pretty impressive.

[The Original MrF...]

I used to really like Paul Williams but unfortunately, he's peak as a decent fighter who could have been great. He's a classic example of a guy who got a trainer early on and became blindly loyal to him. George Peterson is NOT ready to train fighters on this level. Anytime your fighter repeatedly gets hit with the same punch fight after fight, round after round and you stubbornly say things as if you don't care... I have no faith in you.

The beauty with guys like Andre Ward, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather etc is that everyone thinks they have a blueprint out to beat them. Problem is, they figure out their mistakes before you do. Then, they also know exactly what you THINK your going to try to do before you even step in the ring. In the Hatton-Mayweather 24/7, Floyd was already saying what Hatton was going to try to do in training camp.

With Paul Williams, everyone knows he's a sucker for a over hand left. Yet instead of adjusting, its like he invites it. Lara came in the fight basically saying "I'm going to try and do exactly what Martinez did to KO you." From the very 1st bell, he did exactly that. He literally could have fought with one hand.

Some people say that some kids learn the stove is hot before they touch it. Some kids have to get burned to realize "I better not touch that anymore." It's like Paul wants to keep his hand in the fire time and time again. Paul! The fire doesn't lose! You hand will never get used to it! It will ALWAYS burn you and it will ALWAYS hurt!

Freaking Great post!! That sums it up right there. Its still a close fight. IF WILLIAMS could learn to fight tall, he'd win this easily, but he wont and thus will get into a firefight that even if he gets the best of it, he wont win a decision against this kid.

[The Original MrF...]

Sad part is, the right trainer could make Paul into a beast. I've never seen a guy that big that can punch at that rate for 12 rounds. His stamina is pretty impressive.

Emmanuel Steward wanted this guy in the worst way. You could just tell from his commentary on HBO. Manny would have molded this guy into a stud. I think manny wanted Pavlik too who suffers from some of the same issues as Williams, fierce loyalty to his childhood trainer. I think Pavlik finally left his guy though. Williams can still salvage his career after the age of 30. look at Wladimir Klitschko. Tall guy who used to get hit by much smaller men. Manny changed his game after the age of 30 and made this guy into the Champuion he is today.

[Franchize]

Emmanuel Steward wanted this guy in the worst way. You could just tell from his commentary on HBO. Manny would have molded this guy into a stud. I think manny wanted Pavlik too who suffers from some of the same issues as Williams, fierce loyalty to his childhood trainer. I think Pavlik finally left his guy though. Williams can still salvage his career after the age of 30. look at Wladimir Klitschko. Tall guy who used to get hit by much smaller men. Manny changed his game after the age of 30 and made this guy into the Champuion he is today.

I agree.I never thought Pavlik was all that good though. His biggest wins are against guys who were as fundamentally flawed as he was. Pavlik has a wicked 1-2 but thats it.

Manny wants a lot of guys. For a guy who's a sure HOFer, Manny's track record with recent fighters isn't so great. PPL love to talk about Floyd calling him an Uncle Tom but forget the way Manny treated Mayweather after Floyd wouldn't switch to him.

I actually think a Mayweather would be perfect for Williams but not Roger. Let's face it, to fight for Roger and Floyd Sr, you have to have already had some type of fundamentals and boxing instincts. I think JEFF Mayweather cold teach Paul some quality things. Despite the outcome, I think Jeff taught Lattimore a lot. I think Lattimore gained a lot. He just jumped into quality way too soon. Quintana is too good to be still trying to find yourself with.

[pesticid]

I think Canelo is strong as a bull and he's got crazy confidence. He wants to fight everyone, Kirkland, Williams, Floyd, Cotto and he's only 21.

I love Canelo's short compact combos.

[Thickback]

It's a toss up, but I favor Williams because of his punch output and Canelo's head being an easily found target. Canelo is powerful, and throws some great combonations, but he isn't a good counterpuncher. So if Williams stays busy, he could pull it off. But the betting odds will favor Canelo easily. If Williams some how develops good head movement, he could make this an easy fight. (not easy but easier....). If Canelo looks up defense in a dictionary, then he can def become what they are building him to be.

This post has been edited by Thickback: May 20 2012, 01:19 PM

[pesticid]

It's a toss up, but I favor Williams because of his punch output and Canelo's head being an easily found target. Canelo is powerful, and throws some great combonations, but he isn't a good counterpuncher. So if Williams stays busy, he could pull it off. But the betting odds will favor Canelo easily. If Williams some how develops good head movement, he could make this an easy fight. (not easy but easier....). If Canelo looks up defense in a dictionary, then he can def become what they are building him to be.

Canelo's got defense, he covers up really well and his arms and hands are strong there. He used to move his head more at 147, lately he feels so strong though, he'll just stay there with his hands up and deflect or block almost everything without wasting much energy, slipping bobbing and weaving.

[daprofessor]

Canelo's got defense, he covers up really well and his arms and hands are strong there. He used to move his head more at 147, lately he feels so strong though, he'll just stay there with his hands up and deflect or block almost everything without wasting much energy, slipping bobbing and weaving.

i agree.