[thehype]

Ben, I might not always agree with you but you are one smart mofo bruh! You can back much of what you say with your knowledge! Mad props bruh!

Why thank you sir.

It's all good...I don't expect people to agree with everything that I say, but I do like it when people back up their info with documented facts. It just makes it easier to debate and really see all the information that's out there.

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[caneman]

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[JD]

I was being facetious about casino money, which is why I said, "Well...I shouldn't say that, but the only REAL relevance it has is when it comes to them making an offer for the venue," and then put a big "LOL" at the end. HOWEVER, I will say that the PPV revenue, combined with the revenue generated from sponsors, FAR exceeds any site fee that a casino may offer, so when it comes to purse splits, I would think the ability to generate that kind of revenue is just a little more important than what the casinos are bringing in for a particular weekend...otherwise, like you said, maybe they SHOULD be asking for a far greater site fee (I'm thinking maybe double) than what they're getting. LOL. But whatever....that's a discussion for a totally different thread.

As for Hatton and Spyder...please see my above post. Like I said, Hatton WAS NOT a Golden Boy fighter until the year 2008...which was AFTER his fight with Mayweather. I never said Golden Boy DID NOT promote the event. WTF? Do you guys think I'm dumb or something? LOL.

Back to in-house fighters....there's a big difference between what Arum is doing and what Floyd is doing. Floyd isn't going out of his way to only fight Golden Boy fighters. I mean, Shane Mosley was the best fight to be made other than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao...there's no denying that. And Marquez...that was a tune-up after a lengthy retirement...I give him a pass on that one, just like I would give Pacquiao a pass on David Diaz (seeing as how that was his first and only fight at lightweight). But prior to that, like I already established, Ricky Hatton wasn't a Golden Boy fighter when that fight was being finalized and took place. Baldomir and Judah weren't Golden Boy fighters either...but that's besides the point. The point is, Bob Arum is PURPOSELY only matching Manny Pacquiao with Top Rank fighters now....Cotto, Clottey, Margarito...even him mentioning potential fights with Foreman, Cotto again, or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr....the guy is BLATANTLY keeping the fights in-house...and he's not the only fighter he's doing it with. But I think we both agree on that, so there's really no debating it. But I totally disagree with the notion that Floyd Mayweather is only looking to fight Golden Boy fighters....especially when he's only fought 3 in his entire career.

All I was simply saying was that Ricky Hatton was the last time that Floyd Mayweather fought a non-GBP fighter.

Well yeah, then it goes back to the sites anteing up. Because the whole point of having these fights in Vegas is so people get out there and gamble...sure, the gate is nice, but the casino's are hoping high rollers come in and drop money like it is going out of style. So yes, maybe the site fee needs to be upped significantly and it needs to be thrown into the pot.

And while you may be looking at intent, or lack thereof, they are still doing the same thing. When Floyd fought Hatton, he was basically a GBP fighter - he had no other affiliation, outside of his own unlicensed promotional outfit, and shortly thereafter, he signed with GBP...as we already established, it was a GBP fight. Historically no...this was not an issue with Floyd at all, but I am talking about recent past and the new trend of keeping it in house.

Arum and Floyd have disdain for each other because of how similar they are.

[Method]

I really have no problem w Arum making these fights between his fighters. It would be one thing if they were bullshit match ups, but they're not. What's more, they're easy to make. No matter what the outcome, I am looking forward to Paq/Margarito.

[TRU]

This comes down to technicalities... Hatton was BASICALLY a GBP fighter for the Floyd fight. Prior to that he was with Mr. Mafia Pellulo as his agent.

Mierda.

[Method]

This comes down to technicalities... Hatton was BASICALLY a GBP fighter for the Floyd fight. Prior to that he was with Mr. Mafia Pellulo as his agent.

Mierda.

Exactly as I see it, my chromasomally challenged cronie!

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[TRU]

Exactly as I see it, my chromasomally challenged cronie!

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My most recent pic...

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Hatton and Floyd made good money from the ticket sales for their fight.

It aint nothing that's for sure...

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-h...tton-and-boxing

[salvador]

I really have no problem w Arum making these fights between his fighters. It would be one thing if they were bullshit match ups, but they're not. What's more, they're easy to make. No matter what the outcome, I am looking forward to Paq/Margarito.

For the life of me I can't understand why or how anyone could have a problem with this fight unless they just didn't believe that Marg should ever get another paycheck on principle. I didn't see the Garcia fight so I don't know how bad Marg really looked, but if anyone had suggested Pac-Marg two years ago this whole board would have laughed out loud at the mismatch.

[Spyder]

I really don't understand why people can't READ EVERYTHING that I post before addressing me.

I NEVER SAID Golden Boy Promotions didn't have anything to do with the fight.

Like I already stated:

Golden Boy had something to do with the promotion because ever since Floyd split with Arum, Golden Boy has sold their promotional services to him.

What I DID SAY was that Ricky Hatton WAS NOT a Golden Boy Promotions fighters at the time he fought Floyd Mayweather.

The question that JD asked was when was the last time Floyd Mayweather faced a non-GBP fighter? The answer is Ricky Hatton!

If you recall (do your research...Google it, Bing it...or whatever your choice of search engines may be), Ricky Hatton was with Dennis Hobson just prior to the Mayweather fight. Then they had a falling out and, from what I recall, Hatton dumped him and was basically a free agent. He did not sign with Golden Boy Promotions until AFTER he had already fought Floyd Mayweather. Golden Boy Promotions sent out a lengthy press release to make the announcement in March of 2008, which again, was AFTER the Mayweather fight.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2162.html

I REPEAT, RICKY HATTON DID NOT SIGN WITH GOLDEN BOY UNTIL AFTER HIS FIGHT WITH FLOYD MAYWEATHER

Please re-read the above referenced press release and pay special attention to the part that reads:

Hatton's first fight under this new promotional contract will be announced at a later date.

This was never about WHO promoted the event...but instead about who the last non-GBP fighter was that Floyd faced. And like I said, the answer is Ricky Hatton.

But whatever.

I seriously don't see the reason to argue about semantics Hype...it makes no sense, and weakens your other points.

Ricky Hatton fought Floyd Mayweather on a GBP card. Semantically speaking, Hatton signed a one fight deal with GBP to fight Floyd Mayweather. Whether that makes you want to call him a Golden Boy fighter or not means absolutely nothing. Same with signing a multi-fight deal, which is what he did immediately after the fight.

So I don't really see the point in claiming that Ricky Hatton was not a GBP fighter at the time that he fought Floyd Mayweather. Is it the 1 fight contract? Is that your sticking point? I mean, was Brett Favre not really a Jet because he only played in New York for 1 season?

It's pretty easy for everyone to see that GBP used the Mayweather fight as a chance to extend their relationship with Hatton. Extend being the operative word. If they failed to deliver on that fight, then Ricky could do the same as Favre did and play for someone else the next season. But the fact still remains that the two were in business with each other for that fight.

I don't care how you want to slice it...whether signing a one fight contract makes you a fighter for a promotional banner, or if it takes a multiple fight contract for you to consider someone a certain "promoter's" fighter...their role and purpose is exactly the same...to sell the damn fight!

[gravytrain]

GBP promoted the event with Mayweather Promotions. However when asking "when's the last time Floyd fought a non-GBP fighter?" and Hatton is between promoters Mayweather didn't fight a GBP fighter, he fought a fighter who was coming off a 3 fight contract with Dennis Hobson after leaving Frank Warren.