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> ESPN2- Lemieux vs Rubio Fight Info., SPOILERS WITHIN ABOUT 8:00PM (PT)/11(ET) TONIGHT
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post Apr 9 2011, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (True-Boxing-Fan @ Apr 9 2011, 01:25 AM) *
How is Lemieux chump? If you are willing to step through those ropes you ain't no chump. Now here comes all the boxing haters to say I knew lemieux was garbage. That was a very entertaining fight. I was expecting a Lemieux win and thought this was a nice step up but damn Rubio put on a great performance. He weathered the storm early then stepped it up in the 6th. Even though Lemieux was doing good in the early rounds, I thought he was kind of punching himself out trying to land only hard shots. Rubio has some very heavy hands and a serviceable stiff jab. Lemieux is still very young and has a lot of improvement to do. But he can still make some noise. He needs to come to America for some better sparring and training. I thought Lemieux's corner was giving him perfect advice once Rubio started to come on in the sixth. But lemieux was a done fighter after the sixth. Great job of Rubio to perservere through the early storm to do your thing. It's fights like these make me love boxing so much.


i've been calling this cat garbage since someone on here said he'd be ready for Martinez in a year and a half and before that i didn't care about him because he's just someone knocking out bums in Canada. he was garbage and is garbage, he never proved anything and ran up his record against cab drivers.
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post Apr 9 2011, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE (True-Boxing-Fan @ Apr 9 2011, 02:01 AM) *
Lol, its cool. It's just that once someone loses who is considered to have a bright future, you get guys saying I told you so and calling fighters chumps. I hate when people call fighters chumps or bums when said people have no idea what it takes to step in the ring. It's just a pet peeve of mine.


i boxed for 4 years. that doesn't make me special. even if i never boxed before i could call someone a chump as a fan because i can form an opinion about a fighter based on quality of opposition and just watching them in general.





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post Apr 9 2011, 02:46 AM
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I'm extremely disappointed by the outcome of the fight and feel David was perhaps a victim of his own (relative) success.  He lacked the composure to be defensive in his work, and Rubio was avoiding most of what David threw..  Rubio was catching David with the jab, landing the straight over the top and generally taking him to school.  I feel David needs to find himself a better trainer, he needs to work on his footwork, he needs to move his head and he needs a degree of patience.  When a guy blazes through his opposition because they cannot take his big shots he usually fails to learn as a fighter.  When the big shots don't have the same affect as previously and his opponent is smarter it turns out very bad.  We've all seen this type of thing before hand.  Lemieux was throwing too much leather at Rubio's guard, he failed to even attempt to set the guy up and it all went monumentally bad for him when he got hurt.  The tide was never really turned,
David being the aggressor didn't fool me and I worried things were going to turn out bad for him midway through the fight.  Do I stick by my bold prediction whereby he will be the future of the division?  In a word....NO..  
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post Apr 9 2011, 04:39 AM
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QUOTE (True-Boxing-Fan @ Apr 9 2011, 05:25 AM) *
How is Lemieux chump? If you are willing to step through those ropes you ain't no chump. Now here comes all the boxing haters to say I knew lemieux was garbage. That was a very entertaining fight. I was expecting a Lemieux win and thought this was a nice step up but damn Rubio put on a great performance. He weathered the storm early then stepped it up in the 6th. Even though Lemieux was doing good in the early rounds, I thought he was kind of punching himself out trying to land only hard shots. Rubio has some very heavy hands and a serviceable stiff jab. Lemieux is still very young and has a lot of improvement to do. But he can still make some noise. He needs to come to America for some better sparring and training. I thought Lemieux's corner was giving him perfect advice once Rubio started to come on in the sixth. But lemieux was a done fighter after the sixth. Great job of Rubio to perservere through the early storm to do your thing. It's fights like these make me love boxing so much.

I feel what you're saying but I mean c'mon man. We're talking about in the context of boxers compared to boxers. Of course compared to laymen these guys are warriors, I mean for godssakes they fight for a living, but I think the whole part of the fight game is to take shit talking from fans like us. Just comes with the territory.
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post Apr 9 2011, 05:05 AM
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Lol You guys are ridiculous calling him a bum and shit. The dude is 22 years old and still has all the potential in the world, in fact he was winning that fight 5 rounds to 1 and I had him winning that 7th round until the knockdown and stoppage. You guys are judging this dude cus he gets a lil hype so alot of u hope he gets exposed and most of you guys have never seen more than a fight or a couple quick highlight vids. The kid got caught flush and it ended in his own demise.. But I still think the kid can definitely become a titleholder and if there were a rematch, i'd have my money on Lemieux to win the rematch judging by how he was doing vs. Rubio throughout the greater portion of the fight; granted, he's gotta do some fine tweaking but he'll be ok. Shiet, you fools act like cus a fighter gets caught by a good punch and loses a bout suddenly he's a bum not every1 that loses a bout automatically becomes a bum; That's jus the type of sport boxing is, every1 has a puncher's chance to win a fight.

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post Apr 9 2011, 10:37 AM
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I went to sleep after the second round but before going to sleep I remember thinking "There is nothing in Lemieux fight game that Serggio can't handle." Then I wake up to find out the he got KOed by fucking Rubio. What a hype job LOL. I'm starting to think that all of those Canadian fighters are part of one big hype machine and will get exposed very soon.
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post Apr 9 2011, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (gravytrain @ Apr 8 2011, 11:40 PM) *
i boxed for 4 years. that doesn't make me special. even if i never boxed before i could call someone a chump as a fan because i can form an opinion about a fighter based on quality of opposition and just watching them in general.

Ohh my bad u boxed for 4 years. In that case talk all the shit you want. Give me a break. I don't think trashing a guy and calling him a bum is much of an opinion. In any case Lemieux is very young and still has lots of boxing ahead of him. I think Lemieux domination of lesser opposition was is down fall as be thought he could do the same with any fighters. Boxing reality can be harsh. He got way a head of himself. But being so young he still has a future.

Were you any good when you boxed for those 4 years gravytrain? Did you box professionally or just golden gloves or just trained? Where did you box?
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post Apr 9 2011, 11:24 AM
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in all fairness mexicutioner made some good points... first of all this is boxing... the opponent is supposed to have a chance or why even fight.... boxing needs more fights like that where the prospect truly gets tested... now lemieux's team has an idea of what they need to work on and tweak some things... which leads me to number 2... the kid is only 22 years old and he fought a good solid vet last night... it was a good learning fight for the kid if he is able to deal with the defeat... honestly the state of boxing is getting to the point to where the undefeated (zero losses) means dollar signs but it dont necc mean skill level... a lot of these guys rack off these undefeated records vs has beens and no hopers and get spanked on the world level because they are under prepared... id rather band wagon a fighter that has tested himself against good solid pros and tweaked what he needed to tweak before going into the big fights... the kid has a lot of time to learn from his mistakes.. all it means is his team can slow down the express train to the title and let the kid better learn his craft... NOW, with all that said he may still prove to be a b level fighter when its all said and done but i think some are a little quick to brand the kid a hype job just yet... truth is he can fight.... he got caught and its fights like that that keep boxings lights on... those types of fights have to happen... khan was one punch k.o'd and now some consider him the best 140 lber in boxing... lets see how the kid comes back and what, if anything, he learns from his first defeat....
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post Apr 9 2011, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (Lil-lightsout @ Apr 9 2011, 12:29 AM) *
Hey man if Maidana is a "bum", why did he go life in death with Khan, who you think is clearly the best in the division? I mean if Maidana is a bum, then Khan should have wiped the floor with him. Some even thought Maidana deserved the win that night, I was not one of them though. I felt Khan won enough rounds to win the fight.

I think Maidana is a decent fighter with some true grit. I by no means think he is great, but he is not bad either. I think calling him a bum is a bit harsh.

I missed the fight tonight, but it's nice to see an underdog who is NOT supposed to win beat the highly touted untested prospect.

I was drinking last night... Maidana isn't a bum... He's a C fighter with a heart! He was a second away from losing 1 round KOs to Ortiz and Khan. He also went life and death with Corely who is more shot than Morales.

Morales looked like shit at the weigh in so I'm worried somewhat... But DAMN!... the skill gap between the two is so far apart!



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You have been making some very strange picks lately. This fight? The Haye fight, and I think there is one more, but I can't think of it. Unless it is just those two. Respect to you for coming out and taking them, I just don't remember you making picks like these in the past.
I'm actually really, really surprised about your opinion on the Morales-Maidana fight. I hope you are right though, I love Morales. Just don't see it



Fitz, I'm never one to bite my tongue when it comes to fight predictions... especially big fights.

Maidana may prove to be too much for Morales in this one but Corley and make it a fight then Morales can as well.
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post Apr 9 2011, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE (JLUVBABY @ Apr 9 2011, 12:24 PM) *
in all fairness mexicutioner made some good points... first of all this is boxing... the opponent is supposed to have a chance or why even fight.... boxing needs more fights like that where the prospect truly gets tested... now lemieux's team has an idea of what they need to work on and tweak some things... which leads me to number 2... the kid is only 22 years old and he fought a good solid vet last night... it was a good learning fight for the kid if he is able to deal with the defeat... honestly the state of boxing is getting to the point to where the undefeated (zero losses) means dollar signs but it dont necc mean skill level... a lot of these guys rack off these undefeated records vs has beens and no hopers and get spanked on the world level because they are under prepared... id rather band wagon a fighter that has tested himself against good solid pros and tweaked what he needed to tweak before going into the big fights... the kid has a lot of time to learn from his mistakes.. all it means is his team can slow down the express train to the title and let the kid better learn his craft... NOW, with all that said he may still prove to be a b level fighter when its all said and done but i think some are a little quick to brand the kid a hype job just yet... truth is he can fight.... he got caught and its fights like that that keep boxings lights on... those types of fights have to happen... khan was one punch k.o'd and now some consider him the best 140 lber in boxing... lets see how the kid comes back and what, if anything, he learns from his first defeat....


maybe before. i don't see how you could believe some bullshit like that though J. was Mayweather/Marquez supposed to be a fight where the fighter had a chance? all through the rankings of boxing there are fights where if the favorite doesn't win it's an upset and most of the time it isn't by chance. there's a reason to fight people that have no chance and it's because you get paid lol.



QUOTE (True-Boxing-Fan @ Apr 9 2011, 12:09 PM) *
Ohh my bad u boxed for 4 years. In that case talk all the shit you want. Give me a break. I don't think trashing a guy and calling him a bum is much of an opinion. In any case Lemieux is very young and still has lots of boxing ahead of him. I think Lemieux domination of lesser opposition was is down fall as be thought he could do the same with any fighters. Boxing reality can be harsh. He got way a head of himself. But being so young he still has a future.

Were you any good when you boxed for those 4 years gravytrain? Did you box professionally or just golden gloves or just trained? Where did you box?


or he was matched poorly and they did nothing to make him grow as a fighter by feeding him no hopers. i don't think Lemieux minded since he called out Martinez. he's just another fighter that padded his resume then got exposed. if you want to talk shit like you're the best then you open yourself up for criticism. Lemieux did exactly that and lost to a B fighter.

i don't live in Mexico, i couldn't have turned pro at the ages i boxed lol. i wasn't bad, i did a lot of small regional tournaments but couldn't really do GG because i couldn't get out of school.

QUOTE (mexi-cutioner @ Apr 9 2011, 06:05 AM) *
Lol You guys are ridiculous calling him a bum and shit. The dude is 22 years old and still has all the potential in the world, in fact he was winning that fight 5 rounds to 1 and I had him winning that 7th round until the knockdown and stoppage. You guys are judging this dude cus he gets a lil hype so alot of u hope he gets exposed and most of you guys have never seen more than a fight or a couple quick highlight vids. The kid got caught flush and it ended in his own demise.. But I still think the kid can definitely become a titleholder and if there were a rematch, i'd have my money on Lemieux to win the rematch judging by how he was doing vs. Rubio throughout the greater portion of the fight; granted, he's gotta do some fine tweaking but he'll be ok. Shiet, you fools act like cus a fighter gets caught by a good punch and loses a bout suddenly he's a bum not every1 that loses a bout automatically becomes a bum; That's jus the type of sport boxing is, every1 has a puncher's chance to win a fight.


what was there other than highlight vids? they matched him against such shitty opposition that he was blowing through all of them. he might have even blown a couple.

that shit wasn't just a fluke punch, Rubio came alive in the 2nd half of the fight. if not for that he would have kept getting knocked down and eventually he really would have been stopped, his trainer just knew it wasn't happening for him so he ended it.
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