[STEVENSKI]

Will Smith cant hold a fucking candle to Deniro or Crowe. He's the Fresh Prince of Bel Aire, and he always will be.

I am not a fan of Smith by any means but I do not see him as "Will Smith" actor in his roles I see him as the role. Being a Aussie I am a fan of Crowe even though the cunt owns a rival football team & I respect him for not making movies in the football season so he can attend every game.

Here he is telling them to put the opposition to the sword

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[STEVENSKI]

I don't know what everyone on the board considers themselves racially, but regardless what "color" you are on here, everyone has different ways of looking at the world based on their experience.

I consider myself part of the human race. I have experienced racism & the violence that goes with racism first hand myself for being a "fucking dumb skip" as certain ethnic minorities have said.

[Snoop]

I consider myself part of the human race. I have experienced racism & the violence that goes with racism first hand myself for being a "fucking dumb skip" as certain ethnic minorities have said.

Saying "there's only one human race" is all fine and well, but not taking into consideration the factor of race, is just fighting ignorance with ignorance. And while you may have experienced racial tormenting at the hands of others, that in no way gives you the right to speak on how others should interpret their own personal experience, and likewise, no one could tell you how to feel based on theirs. For example, I'm Asian American. In no way am I going to say my experience is the same as say, a black American, or Mexican American, or even begin to say I somehow know what it's like in Australia because I'd be speaking from a limited point of view. There may be similarities, but they're not the same.

This post has been edited by snoopnick: Sep 29 2009, 07:47 AM

[STEVENSKI]

Saying "there's only one human race" is all fine and well, but not taking into consideration the factor of race, is just fighting ignorance with ignorance. And while you may have experienced racial tormenting at the hands of others, that in no way gives you the right to speak on how others should interpret their own personal experience, and likewise, no one could tell you how to feel based on theirs. For example, I'm Asian American. In no way am I going to say my experience is the same as say, a black American, or Mexican American, or even begin to say I somehow know what it's like in Australia because I'd be speaking from a limited point of view. There may be similarities, but they're not the same.

Our DNA is 99.9% the same there is no different races just different religious beliefs & ethnicities & cultures which makes the world a exciting & vibrant place. Imagine we were all the same how fucking boring.

The part in bold is a massive part of the problem. That label so easily applied is part of what divides us as people. Sure we all come from different ethnicities & cultures. To identify as a "Asian American" or "African American" etc is designed to create barriers not break them down. What is wrong with saying I am a American?

Fitz's background is Chilean but I am willing to guarentee he does not say I am a "Clilean Australian" he is a fucking Australian no more no less just like I am a Australian.

Maybe that is a core difference between Australian & America. We don't give a fuck about race whereas America seems to focus on that quite a bit.

[Method]

Here he is telling them to put the opposition to the sword

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Priceless.

[Snoop]

Our DNA is 99.9% the same there is no different races just different religious beliefs & ethnicities & cultures which makes the world a exciting & vibrant place. Imagine we were all the same how fucking boring.

The part in bold is a massive part of the problem. That label so easily applied is part of what divides us as people. Sure we all come from different ethnicities & cultures. To identify as a "Asian American" or "African American" etc is designed to create barriers not break them down. What is wrong with saying I am a American?

Fitz's background is Chilean but I am willing to guarentee he does not say I am a "Clilean Australian" he is a fucking Australian no more no less just like I am a Australian.

Maybe that is a core difference between Australian & America. We don't give a fuck about race whereas America seems to focus on that quite a bit.

I don't know why you mentioned the world being boring if we were all the same culturally. Did my post somehow imply it was? Well, that wasn't my intention. Of course the world wouldn't be better if we were all the same. I am extremely intrigued by other cultures and societies, but I think how my point fits into the argument is that I would never say "I know how it is" for an Australian, a Chilean, or whatever nationality/ethnicity you want to insert because the world does not perceive or treat me as I am one. I can speculate all day about it, but speculation and first hand experience are completely different.

The rest of your argument is hanging on a difference of terminology: race vs ethnicity vs culture, which I won't get into because honestly, there is no real answer to that one.

The reason I make a distinction between Asian American or black American or white American is because our experiences are all completely different. For instance, I get asked, on the regular, if I am from this country. I get asked if I can speak English, if I can read road signs, etc. White Americans do not go through that kind of stuff on a regular basis, therefore I say my experience, in this country, is vastly different than someone of a different skin color, just as a white American's experience is different than mine, in both positive and negative aspects. I can see these racial definers considered as a barrier, in most regards, it is. But I feel ignoring it doesn't solve the problem we have here in the States, it just kind of sweeps the dirt under the rug, which is why I have problems with the racially blind PC comments.

The United States makes a waaaaay bigger deal on race than other places that are pretty damn close to being a cultural mixing pot that we are here. I have no idea why we're so focused on race, and it probably does explain a little of why I see things the way I do, but I'm only going off my own observations, studies and experience.

This post has been edited by snoopnick: Sep 29 2009, 08:29 AM

[STEVENSKI]

I don't know why you mentioned the world being boring if we were all the same culturally. Did my post somehow imply it was? Well, that wasn't my intention.

I can certainly see your other points & would doubtless be insulted if I was asked if I could speak english etc. I certainly was not implying anything with your post as quoted above merely suggesting that it is our differences that make us unique but we are 99.9% the same. We all feel pride, envy, anger, love, pain, fear & the whole gamut of emotions.

Maybe it is because I used to be very racist when I was younger that I feel so strongly the other way now I am a somewhat mature adult that can make informed decisions. I like to take people as I find them & there are arseholes in every different group although I will admit to catching myself stereotyping people on occasion as I am a fallable human being & that is one of my weaknesses. I hope people don't latch onto what I showed honesty & admitted & then call me "bigot" etc because I can assure you I am not.

[Snoop]

I can certainly see your other points & would doubtless be insulted if I was asked if I could speak english etc. I certainly was not implying anything with your post as quoted above merely suggesting that it is our differences that make us unique but we are 99.9% the same. We all feel pride, envy, anger, love, pain, fear & the whole gamut of emotions.

Co-sign with that. At the core, all the emotions run through our veins, they might just come out in different ways. But I agree with you there.

Maybe it is because I used to be very racist when I was younger that I feel so strongly the other way now I am a somewhat mature adult that can make informed decisions. I like to take people as I find them & there are arseholes in every different group although I will admit to catching myself stereotyping people on occasion as I am a fallable human being & that is one of my weaknesses. I hope people don't latch onto what I showed honesty & admitted & then call me "bigot" etc because I can assure you I am not.

I think people use stereotypes and generalizations to organize the immense complexities there are in the world. For the most part, stereotypes begin somewhere with a hint to truth to them. The problem with stereotypes is that some people take them so absolute truths and will completely judge a person or a race based ONLY on that. Or they say those stereotypes are inherent in a person because of their race, which most often it is a product of social conditioning, culture, etc.

Big of you to admit you were racist when you were younger. Now I can see why you think so much the other way. And in perhaps the reverse of you, I used to be big on "fighting racism", a self-proclaimed anti-racist that thought everything in the world was made to oppress people of color when I was younger. Now that I've grown and lived a little more, I'm trying to come back to see other points of view and be more balanced. But I take my experiences with me. I just try to refine them just as I'm sure you do, because I think if you're smart enough, everything in your life, even being racist in the past, can add insight and value to a conversation like this.

And I don't think anyone here considers you a bigot, at least they couldn't say you were based on what you post, except for that one time you said you were just getting ready to bleach your sheets for a KKK rally or something to that extent. LOL.

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[Warlord]

Saying "there's only one human race" is all fine and well, but not taking into consideration the factor of race, is just fighting ignorance with ignorance. And while you may have experienced racial tormenting at the hands of others, that in no way gives you the right to speak on how others should interpret their own personal experience, and likewise, no one could tell you how to feel based on theirs. For example, I'm Asian American. In no way am I going to say my experience is the same as say, a black American, or Mexican American, or even begin to say I somehow know what it's like in Australia because I'd be speaking from a limited point of view. There may be similarities, but they're not the same.

Just curious, what part of asia does your family originate from?

[Warlord]

I am not a fan of Smith by any means but I do not see him as "Will Smith" actor in his roles I see him as the role. Being a Aussie I am a fan of Crowe even though the cunt owns a rival football team & I respect him for not making movies in the football season so he can attend every game.

Here he is telling them to put the opposition to the sword

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I gotta go with Method on this one. Will Smith SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember when an interviewer asked him what he thought about Star Wars: Episode I opening the same month as Wild Wild West. His "advice" to George Lucas was to keep Star Wars away from "Big Willy Weekend" as he termed it, or else Star Wars was gonna get trounced.

Needless to say, one of those films went on to become one of the biggest box-office hits in history. The other? Well, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

I'll repeat it. Will Smith sucks. Hard.