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> HBO@4:45 ET/1:45 PT: W. Klitschko vs. D. Haye: SPOILERS 15 Minutes Later, No New Spoiler Threads, Duplicate Threads, or Public Streams Allowed
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post Jul 4 2011, 03:27 AM
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Haye gave a better performance than Wlad's last 10 opponents or something for SURE. I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch but Haye should beat another contender.
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post Jul 4 2011, 06:36 AM
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QUOTE (BigG @ Jul 4 2011, 03:27 AM) *
Haye gave a better performance than Wlad's last 10 opponents or something for SURE. I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch but Haye should beat another contender.


After all that talking, it really didn't bother you that Haye chose not to go for broke in the last few rounds? You didn't feel like you'd been lied to? Because it's not like he was exhausted or wobbled, he just chose to finish on his feet.
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post Jul 4 2011, 06:44 AM
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QUOTE (ViperSniper @ Jul 4 2011, 02:46 AM) *
I thought the fight had a couple of close rounds and was overall pretty competitive with Wlad taking a close decision. The fight didn't live up to the hype (pretty hard to with this one) but overall it wasn't that bad of a fight.

Few things that surprised me about the fight. First off, the fight went the distance with neither fighter ever going to the canvas (legitimately) or neither were hurt or in serious danger! That to me was one of the biggest surprises and also the biggest part that let me down about the fight. Another was Haye fighting much better than I expected. The guy threw more punchers and chances than expected and even took some shots himself. Also was surprised to see Haye beating Wlad to the jab at times!!

Although I felt Wlad edged the fight based on ring generalship, I felt it was Haye that made more of an effort and opened up more than Wlad (and more than I originally expected). But I guess it came down to Wlad being so used to his game plan and above everyone else he can and will get away with it!


Also. The show & entrances they put on before the fight was incredible. I have never seen anything like it!


I thought Haye stopped caring after the 3rd round. Haye fought better than you expected? Well, that's got to be some pretty low expectations! This performance was one of the most putrid, disgusting performances I have ever seen for a world heavyweight championship. I mean considering the build-up and the atmosphere, I was disgusted, absolutely appalled at Haye's non-effort and that Wlad did not try to finish him off. Worse is Haye not even trying in that last round when he momentarily stunned Wlad. This was just God-Awful!

Jack

PS And Haye that little POS putting his hand in the air after a performance like that? He should be stoned, tarred, and feathered for deceiving the public!
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post Jul 4 2011, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 4 2011, 01:07 AM) *
I don't know, but with the exception of Lewis-Vitali or Wlad-Peter I, I still find the Klitschos boring. Even if they were American, I find them boring. I think that international countries may show more nationalistic pride toward their fighters because in America, the promoters and cable networks, along with casinos control all the big-time boxing. A lot of countries don't have that kind of backing so they will get a whole nation involved, who may not even be boxing fans, but they are there to support their fighter as long as he dominates, he doesn't have to be exciting.

I think HBO supported the Klitschkos years ago because they had some exciting fights and HBO liked that. A networks job is to showcase fights that are exciting to the public. People flocked to get HBO subscriptions when Tyson was fighting, NOT because he was fighting great competition. They wanted to see an ass-kicking. In the American landscape, you dominate with KO's, (prime-Tyson), a charismatic and controversial personality, (Ali) a pressure fighter (Frazier) a skilled slick boxer with strong Olympic backing and fighting your nemesis and in exciting fights, getting revenge. (Leonard, Duran-Leonard I Leonard-Duran II,) Or you dominate everyone with longevity and a big KO punch. (Louis 25 title defenses, KO percentage.) The Klits may have a big KO percentage, but it takes them forever to get a "Bum of The Month" out of there, and that is only IF they want to do that.

Internationalists watch a dominate fighter for love of country. Americans watch a fighter because there is something in what I said above that draws them in to a fighter's performance. Since the Klitscho's can't do love of country for American audiences because USA fans aren't in Germany, there is not much pride in most American's in watching the Klitschkos fight. I also blame Manny Steward for taking away the excitement that the brothers had as sluggers and turning them into safety-first boxers. I guarantee that if the Klitschkos were fighting like they used to, HBO would still be behind them.

It than raises a great question that may be answered differently by people from different parts of the world? What is most important? Winning in a methodical way with a great record backing up those wins? Or winning in an exciting way, and sometimes losing in an exciting way, but always guaranteed great fights almost every time out? (Gatti?)

The Klitschko brothers in my view certainly dominate, but fail to entertain in recent years. I see this as an American boxing writer and analyst. Saturday night, both Klitschko and Haye should have had a commitment, an obligation to perform, to transform and excite fans both casual and elite about this world heavyweight championship unification by doing something memorable, something special and none of that happened. We got an ending just like any other recent Klitschko fight, and the other title holder who was all bark and no bite.

The Klitschkos are dominate champions, but at least in America, are not stars.

Jack


Wlad and Vitali are nothing new, fighters have been in their position before. when Joe Louis was coming around boxing was damn near over with because it became a sport of nothing but fixed fights and no real entertainment. the HW division wasn't strong and a black guy sure as hell wasn't the first choice as a savior of boxing. but Louis gave people what they were missing from the days of Dempsey and that's was a hard punching and knock outs. the HW division was so weak Conn moving up to fight him was genuinely one of the most exciting fights of his career, it's kind of like Haye moving up to face Wlad. countless other champions did what they had to do to bring excitement to the division and that's at times when boxing was much more popular.

Wlad and Vitali have never gone out of their way to get back to the American public. personally, i think Wlad vs Ibragimov really just summarizes why he's not on HBO anymore.
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post Jul 5 2011, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (The CEO @ Jul 3 2011, 07:39 PM) *
What the FUCK, Factor?....you called bullshit on me over a consensus "close fight" last weekend (iMo anywhere from 96-93 Matt to 95-94 Alexander)...while this was a consensus landslide for Wlad...

Wlad controlled that bitch all night....yes...Haye ducked and dodged like a phenom, and every once in a while, he would lunge and throw a looper...he gave Klit a little bloody mouse, and that's about it...

but there is no way in British HEAVEN you can give Haye 5 rounds.

Calling bullshit on ME?...lol




You're a good man, MARV...that's more like it...I would have given 3 to Haye if I was being overly generous....

I see Warlord adopted my Sig giving style on ya...lol...ain't no thing.



I don't remember calling BS on you for last week fight. I don't deny that it was a close fight. Though it may have been close, I think Alexander clearly lost and was awarded a hometown decision. I think you admitted as much as well. As for Klit/Haye, I think Klit was clearly the winner. I think people may have a problem with me giving Haye 5 rounds. I just didn't see the wipeout that everyone else saw. Two guys generally not doing shit. I didn't see any dominant performance like it's being suggested.
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post Jul 5 2011, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Jul 5 2011, 02:00 AM) *
I don't remember calling BS on you for last week fight. I don't deny that it was a close fight. Though it may have been close, I think Alexander clearly lost and was awarded a hometown decision. I think you admitted as much as well. As for Klit/Haye, I think Klit was clearly the winner. I think people may have a problem with me giving Haye 5 rounds. I just didn't see the wipeout that everyone else saw. Two guys generally not doing shit. I didn't see any dominant performance like it's being suggested.


Nah...you and Beardo called bullshit on the thought that it "could have gone either way" which was exactly what I posted as the scores were being tallied...I also said Matthysse definitely did enough to get the win, and that if it was close, we should have known the standard hometown decision would be given.....and fyi, many media outlets came out saying it "could have went either way" later on...

To be honest...I think Kotelnik beat Alexander more clearly than Matthysse did...where I couldn't see a score for Alexander at all...

Anyway...it's all good...I just don't like being called for BS when I'm not BSin'...lol


Back to this stinker...I was lookin' around and found a very interesting pic...


(IMG:http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x289/THECEO_2007/HayeBeheadsBritishBoxing.jpg)


Pretty poignant stuff...
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post Jul 6 2011, 05:13 AM
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This fight was a bit disappointing. I had Wlad by KO or Haye by KO before Round 6. I think both guys knew they had the chances to get KO'd and was very cautious. It's funny Wlad stated Haye fought very cautious when he claimed he wanted to KO Haye just as badly and wanted to give him "pizza face" and on top of that he's that big and rangy yet he fought like he was the smaller man, reacting to all of Haye's feints was terrible. Haye did good in Rds. 3, 7,9, and 12. I wish someone asked him why didn't he go for broke when he stunned Wlad in rd's 3 and 12 he is fast enough. Wlad everytime Haye threw some wild bombs Wlad would put his arms up and hold Haye as if he's saying no mas. Haye has all the tools to beat Wlad but nonetheless didn't perform. He had many opportunities to make Wlad pay especially when he ducked and dodge Wlad's jab. What surprised me was that Haye took Wlad's jabs and straight right well. He also used good defense and decent head movement. I can tell he did give some type of effort better than most of Wlad's past opponents. Haye should have committed a bit more to eat some shots in order to deliver those haymakers and Wlad should have stepped up the pace a bit since he was controlling the fight. I wouldn't mind seeing Haye fight Arreola or maybe Solis when he gets better and then maybe Sam Peters. If he want's a rematch he has to earn it but I do think Wlad should give it to him since this fight was lackluster. Haye's excuses and Wlad's excuses is unacceptable.
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post Jul 10 2011, 12:18 PM
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The Wlad half of The Siamese Klit stunk the place up in this fight. Motherfucker said he was going to punish Haye and he goes in there and acts like a 6th grader who has never been punched in the face before.

. . . and Haye with that little toe shit. I guaranfuckingtee you that no broken pinky toe would stop me from going down punishing that halfKlit.

HalfKlit was there to be had. He flinches almost as bad as The Flinch himself.
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post Jul 10 2011, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (ViperSniper @ Jul 11 2011, 11:12 AM) *
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE KLITSCHKO BROTHERS FOR COMPLETING THERE DREAMS!!

WBC Heavyweight Champion: Vitali Klitschko
WBA Heavyweight Champion: Wladamir Klitschko
IBF Heavyweight Champion: Wladamir Klitschko
WBO Heavyweight Champion: Wladamir Klitschko

It's not often that you get brothers who are both world champions.. at the same time, in the same division, not to mention unified the entire division by holding all major titles together. A family gathering you would not want to gatecrash lol!

What's the closest resemblance to this? Will this ever be seen again??

Thought I'd throw it out there as it's a pretty big deal that has been heavily overlooked.


Agreed. It is an extraordinary accomplishment, and does get overlooked. Probably won't ever happen again, so congratulations to the both for achieving something special, that probably won't be achieved again.
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