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post Apr 12 2013, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 11 2013, 10:09 PM) *
Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.

Roy had been hit plenty of times before that and I had never seen him go down. Comes down from heavyweight very quickly and all the sudden he's getting put to sleep all the time? I dont like math but this is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2

When he trained for the ruiz fight he was forced to keep fat on and build muscle on top of it to bulk, so you can't train as hard if you want to gain weight. And when you put on that kind of muscle and body fat your body adjusts, so once he tried to come back down in weight he was forced to lose muscle (shoulder muscles, neck muscles all affect your chin not to mention muscle loss can result in slower reflexes) undoubtedly. Your body can't fluctuate in weight that much without said person feeling some effects.
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post Apr 12 2013, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 12 2013, 01:07 PM) *
Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.


It's not the body he has, it's the fact he's dropped so much weight quickly at an older age.
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post Apr 12 2013, 01:06 PM
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Surprised nobody mentioned Chris Nipple *cough* I mean Arreola
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Amir Kahn aka Glass Joe has to win this one by decision.....
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post Apr 12 2013, 01:58 PM
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Tarver has a solid beard.. he has never been KOd and to my knowledge has only been dropped once by Hopkins.. Tarver is hated big time on this site yet there is absolutely nothing in his career that suggests he should be in this thread
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post Apr 12 2013, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (neophyte7 @ Apr 12 2013, 07:58 PM) *
Tarver has a solid beard.. he has never been KOd and to my knowledge has only been dropped once by Hopkins.. Tarver is hated big time on this site yet there is absolutely nothing in his career that suggests he should be in this thread


I used to be all for Tarver, but since the PED thing I wonder.
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post Apr 12 2013, 05:53 PM
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I was always under the impression that losing all of that weight so quickly, does something to the fluid in your brain and affects your ability to take a punch. Maybe I'm off a bit. I see Julio shed a lot of weight in a short amount of time, but he isn't fighting guys like Tarver, who did shed HW lbs to get to LHW, so who knows?
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post Apr 12 2013, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 12 2013, 07:07 AM) *
Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I've seen countless examples of it and just writing it off because they didn't get body shots is not accurate IMO. Chad Dawson dropped how many pounds to fight Ward. He got Ko'd by a body shot? I think not. The writing is on the wall. Your body has to adjust to those types of things and when it's not given proper time to do so the effects can be catastrophic.
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post Apr 18 2013, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 12 2013, 06:13 PM) *
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I've seen countless examples of it and just writing it off because they didn't get body shots is not accurate IMO. Chad Dawson dropped how many pounds to fight Ward. He got Ko'd by a body shot? I think not. The writing is on the wall. Your body has to adjust to those types of things and when it's not given proper time to do so the effects can be catastrophic.



That's cool and we will! What other examples have you seen where a fighter is weakened due to this situation? Chad got done in by the amount of shots he took, not by one specific shot like Jones did and IMHO there is no comparison to be made here and that is a bad example you used.

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post Apr 18 2013, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 18 2013, 09:21 AM) *
That's cool and we will! What other examples have you seen where a fighter is weakened due to this situation? Chad got done in by the amount of shots he took, not by one specific shot like Jones did and IMHO there is no comparison to be made here and that is a bad example you used.

Well in camp supposedly all chad was doing was complaining about weight and how he didn't have the energy to do anything and they confirmed he got knocked out hard with one shot by his sparring partner two or three weeks before the ward fight.

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