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Jack 1000
post Jan 8 2013, 01:22 PM
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Will Teddy go Ape-Shit again? In the Williams-Molina fight, if Molina gets a homecourt decision? Do you think Williams will have to score a KO to win against Molina? It's in New Mexico, and I don't think that venue is gonna do justice to Williams should it go to the cards.

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post Jan 8 2013, 01:29 PM
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i don't think this one is going to the cards. teddy can sit this one out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 8 2013, 02:29 PM
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Heard he went on a rant last week. Someone needs to interview these judges after bad scores, put them on the Fucking spot.
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post Jan 8 2013, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 8 2013, 01:29 PM) *
Heard he went on a rant last week. Someone needs to interview these judges after bad scores, put them on the Fucking spot.


Teddy sure as hell isn't smart enough to be that guy.

For starters, to do it correctly and fairly, you would need (among other things):

1. cameras from each judge's viewpoint;
2. other judges' scores from that view point; and
3. a focus on individual rounds and not final scorecards.

In fact, it is quite possible that the worst scorecard on any given night will have the 'right' guy winning.

It's probably easier to teach physics to a donkey than get this through to Teddy, but hey, it's for the viewers.

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post Jan 8 2013, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (mikE11 @ Jan 8 2013, 03:44 PM) *
Teddy sure as hell isn't smart enough to be that guy.

For starters, to do it correctly and fairly, you would need (among other things):

1. cameras from each judge's viewpoint;
2. other judges' scores from that view point; and
3. a focus on individual rounds and not final scorecards.

In fact, it is quite possible that the worst scorecard on any given night will have the 'right' guy winning.

It's probably easier to teach physics to a donkey than get this through to Teddy, but hey, it's for the viewers.


u know...i totally agree. i was saying the same thing during the olympics when he was ranting and raving about the bad decisions and the corruption of aiba. it's clear to me that he was sooo far removed from amateur boxing that he wasn't educated enough to speak on it.
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post Jan 8 2013, 05:10 PM
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Molina will more than likely find a way outta this one as well. The whole "not taking a knee when you're hurt", just blows me. Who knows though, Molina may actually come in there and outwork Williams. As for the judging, as someone already mentioned, I dont think we'll need them. After one of these guys see the little birdies, I'll be more interested to see the cards afterwards.
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post Jan 9 2013, 06:10 PM
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the only robbery will be us fans if this fight makes it to the cards lol. both bangers someone is getting dusted.
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post Jan 11 2013, 07:15 AM
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Is Teddy Atlas All That? Consider the Following:

1.) Even by his own admission, he won't give rounds with multiple knockdowns less than 10-8 scores. Yet goes on a rampage about bad scoring. If Atlas was as good as he thinks he is, he should know that conventional wisdom says you take a point off of the loser fighter with one knockdown a 10-8, the second, a 10-7, the third a 10-6. The losing fighter would really have to earn ground for rounds not to be scored in this way.

2.) He never pronounces Hoyfield's name correctly. It's like Holy is in religion. Know it all Teddy, pronounces it like the girl's name "Holly."

3.) He wants a national commission overseen by the federal government? Jeepers fuck! As if those clowns in Washington don't have enough problems and bullshit without trying to regulate boxing. This is so wrong. And what Atlas can't get through his skull is that boxing is an international sport, and cannot be regulated like other sports.

4.) Seriously what has he really done for boxing? I will give credit that he stands up for what he believes and is not a pom-pom shaker. His beliefs are genuine. But the sun won't rise and set for him controlling boxing like he wants. Teddy may be a firm believer, but he is also an arrogant, egotistical dictator, who lets his opinions loud his judgment. Why hold a shrine to this guy, because he once carried Tyson's spit bucket?

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post Jan 11 2013, 08:54 AM
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I've heard a lot of judges don't give less than 10-7 rounds.

But yea hes arrogant and he let's his judgement get clouded but I like him. He's been a student of the game for a long time and he isn't afraid let people know what he thinks, unlike almost every other boxing analyst/announcer their is.

I don't agree with his national governed commissions, but I would like to see a powerhouse body in the US that governs boxing sort of like how the NBA is the holy grail of pro basketball or how the NFL is the major market for football. That way fighters can worry less about state commissions or crooked judges and promoters ect. The way that the ufc has structured itself is pretty well in that way other than there is only one head honcho in Dana who can't be overridden, but I think they have a better system in.
Of course that would be difficult because Dana owns the ufc which is basically his company and you would have to create a league/system that is appealing enough.to draw most of the major athletes but this might just be wishful thinking on my part. I'm sure stranger things have happened.
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post Jan 11 2013, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Jan 11 2013, 08:54 AM) *
I've heard a lot of judges don't give less than 10-7 rounds.

But yea hes arrogant and he let's his judgement get clouded but I like him. He's been a student of the game for a long time and he isn't afraid let people know what he thinks, unlike almost every other boxing analyst/announcer their is.

I don't agree with his national governed commissions, but I would like to see a powerhouse body in the US that governs boxing sort of like how the NBA is the holy grail of pro basketball or how the NFL is the major market for football. That way fighters can worry less about state commissions or crooked judges and promoters ect. The way that the ufc has structured itself is pretty well in that way other than there is only one head honcho in Dana who can't be overridden, but I think they have a better system in.
Of course that would be difficult because Dana owns the ufc which is basically his company and you would have to create a league/system that is appealing enough.to draw most of the major athletes but this might just be wishful thinking on my part. I'm sure stranger things have happened.


unfortunately, what he thinks isn't always in line with reality. i like him to because he educates the fans for the most part...but he needs to stop with his holier than thou..."this is what's wrong with boxing" rants.

a monopoly for boxing will not work. dana white and the ufc's model doesn't work for boxing. the ufc is tiny in comparison to boxing so what it is able to do with its very limited easily recycle-able talent is not possible in boxing.
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