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 May 3 2009, 07:53 PM
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I was having an argument with a friend last night after the fight. We were talking about Hatton's two knockout losses, and I suggested maybe his first knockout loss to Mayweather softened him up a little bit. My friend said that couldn't be true because a fighter's chin stays strong throughout his career and never gets weaker. I brought up Vargas as an example, but he dismissed that saying it's not possible. I didn't have any scientific or medical facts to back up my claims.
What are your thoughts on this issue, and if you have any solid evidence to back it up please do so! |
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May 3 2009, 07:57 PM
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BANNED IN THE USA Group: Banned Posts: 3,484 Joined: 30-June 04 Member No.: 1,018 |
I think it has something more to do with confidence. You lose confidence and you lose everything! Last night, though, no amount of chin and punch resistance can save Hatton from that punch.
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May 3 2009, 08:04 PM
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Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,982 Joined: 30-July 04 Member No.: 931 |
QUOTE (Fitz @ May 3 2009, 08:00 PM)  Of course it can, look at Hatton, Morales, Vargas and especially Mayorga. Why though? I'm looking for a medical explanation. |
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May 3 2009, 08:06 PM
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Born in England, Live in England, Die in England. Group: Team BU Posts: 4,370 Joined: 23-December 04 From: Land of Hope & Glory Member No.: 1,443 |
The chin is one of the first things to go. They always say that your punch is the last thing to go.
Um...yeah, thats what they always say....sorry I'm hammered. Yeah but thats what I've been brought up to believe since I was a kid. Fuck knows if its true though. |
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May 3 2009, 08:11 PM
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Junior Welterweight Group: Members Posts: 1,064 Joined: 9-January 06 Member No.: 4,102 |
QUOTE (Imperius3 @ May 3 2009, 08:53 PM) I was having an argument with a friend last night after the fight. We were talking about Hatton's two knockout losses, and I suggested maybe his first knockout loss to Mayweather softened him up a little bit. My friend said that couldn't be true because a fighter's chin stays strong throughout his career and never gets weaker. I brought up Vargas as an example, but he dismissed that saying it's not possible. I didn't have any scientific or medical facts to back up my claims. What are your thoughts on this issue, and if you have any solid evidence to back it up please do so! Imperius3, Historic facts may be enough to back up that claim. Because HISTORICALLY, every fighter who's been KTFO COLD has never regained the chin they had prior. The only medical evidence that can be presented is the scar tissue accumulation and minor blood clots. While other injuries repair relatively easily {Body punches, broken nose etc...}, brain tissue, once damaged, remains damaged. Academy Of Neurology http://www.aan.com/press/index.cfm?fuseact...amp;release=470 http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553965 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_pugilistica http://www.insidermedicine.ca/archives/Ama...njury_1657.aspx http://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/27/sports/b...-ban-sport.html This post has been edited by dbdbdb: May 3 2009, 08:12 PM |
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May 3 2009, 08:16 PM
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Chief Haterizer Group: Team BU Posts: 10,592 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Sydney Member No.: 91 |
It can happen but I don't think it is a case of his chin "cracked".
Every single punch that dropped him & they were all one punch knockdowns was flush on the chin. |
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May 3 2009, 08:18 PM
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I think Lewis chipped Tuas chin a bit, and that guys chin was a fucking rock. He's never been KO'd, but i remember seeing him a little shaken in a few fights afterwoods. Cant remember which fight
And i dont think Sam Peter was the same after the Wlad fight. Two guys with Easter Island stone slabs for heads, and once they got chipped by big punchers, stayed chipped This post has been edited by AussieLad: May 3 2009, 08:21 PM |
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May 3 2009, 08:24 PM
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Super Featherweight Group: Members Posts: 664 Joined: 10-July 05 From: Dallas Member No.: 2,564 |
Sam Peter comes to mind as well. He walked through hell with Wladimir, only to be dropped three times by McCline.
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May 3 2009, 08:27 PM
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As I've said, they lose confidence. And when they lose confidence, they get nervous one those haymakers will land again. And when your nervous, you're stiff, you no longer authority to throw shots you've used to throw before.
I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK OF FIGHTERS WHO DIDN'T LOSE CONFIDENCE after getting KTFOed. Those who trained harder. There may only be 5% of them. Or less. |
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May 3 2009, 08:31 PM
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Middleweight Group: Members Posts: 2,821 Joined: 22-August 03 Member No.: 603 |
QUOTE (torvix2000 @ May 4 2009, 01:27 AM) As I've said, they lose confidence. And when they lose confidence, they get nervous one those haymakers will land again. And when your nervous, you're stiff, you no longer authority to throw shots you've used to throw before. I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK OF FIGHTERS WHO DIDN'T LOSE CONFIDENCE after getting KTFOed. Those who trained harder. There may only be 5% of them. Or less. Darchinyan. The guy is all self confidence personified. Never knocked down as an ammateur or pro before the donaire fight. Never even really wobbled. Then bam, and he's falling over fighting Z Gorres. |
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