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post Oct 27 2009, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE (maelstrom @ Oct 27 2009, 03:17 PM) *
Tony was at the top level??

I missed all of that.



After he most likely cheated and beat Cotto he was considered the number one welterweight if I remember correctly.
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post Oct 27 2009, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (MarzB @ Oct 27 2009, 04:45 PM) *
Maelstrom I think what the Roy detractors who say that are referring to is when Roy fought Richard Hall. I can't remember what it was that he tested for after the fight but Roy said it was "Ripped fuel". What funny is Ripped Fuel is a fat burner which was probably used to make weight. I'll look it up but the ingredient found was a byproduct and consistent with whats in Ripped Fuel if I recall.

Tony never had any mystique...maybe online....but never in boxing.


Say it LOUD!!! Maxboxin was exactly the place. You would have thought those victories in over Manny someone and Kermit Cintron were the stuff legends were made of in 2006 six.

Here's my thoughts. I have a hard time believing Tony not only can make 147 but he does it and is effective. Since he'll have to move up, I have a great match for him that I KNOW he won't take and thats Daniel Santos.

I also believe his hands were loaded against Cotto. Judges nowadays can hardly judge a fight, your'e giving the officials credit to really monitor hands when the trainers that do this probably do it pretty slick in how they hide the layer?



I'd say he had some mystique. Sure the loaded gloves played a HUGE part in his win over Cotto but the effect of walking through Cotto's punches with a shit eating grin I'd say affected Miguel in that fight.

Cintron (OK a pussy at the best of times) couldn't deal with Tony walking right through him either.

I'd say outside of his loaded gloves it was about the only thing he had going for him.
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post Oct 27 2009, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (the ollie reed fan club @ Oct 27 2009, 05:31 PM) *
I'd say he had some mystique. Sure the loaded gloves played a HUGE part in his win over Cotto but the effect of walking through Cotto's punches with a shit eating grin I'd say affected Miguel in that fight.

Cintron (OK a pussy at the best of times) couldn't deal with Tony walking right through him either.

I'd say outside of his loaded gloves it was about the only thing he had going for him.
His mystique was online...not in the boxing world.
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post Oct 27 2009, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (xxxxxx @ Oct 27 2009, 03:45 PM) *
After he most likely cheated and beat Cotto he was considered the number one welterweight if I remember correctly.


And Cotto was what???

Nobody but any overrated punching bag.
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post Oct 28 2009, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE (maelstrom @ Oct 27 2009, 10:50 PM) *
And Cotto was what???

Nobody but any overrated punching bag.



So what are you saying about Mosley, Quintana or Judah. Cotto had beat all these guys before he fought Margarito. Mosley is now considered the #1 welterweight in the world according to Ring. I don't think it's fair to say that Cotto was an overrated punching bag going into the Margarito fight.
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post Oct 28 2009, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (xxxxxx @ Oct 28 2009, 08:13 AM) *
So what are you saying about Mosley, Quintana or Judah. Cotto had beat all these guys before he fought Margarito. Mosley is now considered the #1 welterweight in the world according to Ring. I don't think it's fair to say that Cotto was an overrated punching bag going into the Margarito fight.

Shane wasn't considered a top WW when he fought Cotto...he didn't look good against Colazo or since he was badly thrashed by Forrest.

Judah was coming off a YEAR long suspention after a LOSS....and a NC.

Floyd gets no credit for fighting Zab and neither should Cotto.

Quintana was for a VACANT title...as usual.
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post Oct 28 2009, 02:35 PM
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Shane dominated Collazo and looked good doing so.
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post Oct 28 2009, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Oct 28 2009, 02:35 PM) *
Shane dominated Collazo and looked good doing so.


Exactly, I don't know what the hell he was talking about with the Collazo fight. Shane looked great there dominated Collazo.
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post Oct 28 2009, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (Michigan Assassin @ Oct 28 2009, 03:51 PM) *
Exactly, I don't know what the hell he was talking about with the Collazo fight. Shane looked great there dominated Collazo.


He doesn't either.
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post Oct 28 2009, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (JD @ Oct 28 2009, 02:35 PM) *
Shane dominated Collazo and looked good doing so.
Shane hasn't been the same at 147 since Forrest...

Collazo was in with a shell of Mosley moving back to 147 after years at 154.
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